| wary-wallaroo said:
As I said before, yes MS funded the fame hence it's timed exclusiveness, that's reasonable since it was probably what they agreed on. But then MS moneyhatted it into being a full exclusives (or rather moneyhatted it to keep it of PS consoles). That's where the problem lies |
I don't think you know the development journey of Titanfall, let's keep this conversation here.
wary-wallaroo said:
As I said before, yes MS funded the fame hence it's timed exclusiveness, that's reasonable since it was probably what they agreed on. But then MS moneyhatted it into being a full exclusives (or rather moneyhatted it to keep it of PS consoles). That's where the problem lies |
Do gamers wake up one day and figure out that video games are a business. There is no problem. MS and Sony are not charities and they do not fund anything unless they get something in return. Lets think this through. You fund a project for limited exclusivity. You see the project is well received and you offer a company full exclusive which benefits your platform and the other company takes the money. As a business, why would MS care for PS only gamers. If anything, they would want to make those PS only gamers become duel console owners.
In the end, you nor I really know exactly how the whole deal went down and what MS offered for full exclusitity. Hell, we do not know if MS had a clause when they funded the project if they could go full exclusive. It really comes down to the fact that MS funded the project and for the first game its exclusive to their platform. It saved the project and MS gained a solid FPS in the process.
Goatseye said:
I don't think you know the development journey of Titanfall, let's keep this conversation here. |
But Zampella himself stated as much. I'm pretty sure he'd know a thing or two about his own game
| Machiavellian said: Do gamers wake up one day and figure out that video games are a business. There is no problem. MS and Sony are not charities and they do not fund anything unless they get something in return. Lets think this through. You fund a project for limited exclusivity. You see the project is well received and you offer a company full exclusive which benefits your platform and the other company takes the money. As a business, why would MS care for PS only gamers. If anything, they would want to make those PS only gamers become duel console owners. In the end, you nor I really know exactly how the whole deal went down and what MS offered for full exclusitity. Hell, we do not know if MS had a clause when they funded the project if they could go full exclusive. It really comes down to the fact that MS funded the project and for the first game its exclusive to their platform. It saved the project and MS gained a solid FPS in the process. |
Yes it's all business. That doesn't mean we can't criticize it. There's a reason that there's so much Haye for MS nowadays
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J_Allard said:
Why do people keep dragging MS into this sales number hush hush conspiracy nonsense? I can see EA or Respawn being placed in it, but why would MS talk about the sales of a game they didn't publish? If EA isn't talking sales numbers, why would MS go over their head and talk about them? I know there is never much logic put into conspiracy theories, but c'mon guys. Regarding EA gloating, I only ever remember them "gloating" about Madden numbers back when it used to sell really well. I don't buy EA games or follow many EA games, but idk, do they constantly gloat about sales numbers? All I ever found for BF3 or BF4 were investor calls. The onus is on you guys making the claim that EA always gloats about sales immediately after release to provide some actual proof. Then again, conspiracy theories never really rely on proof either. Carry on. |
oh right.. so MS bought the exclusive just because.. had nothing to do with trying to push their hardware. lol.. either titanfall pushed their hardware, which MS can comment about, or it didn't.. which seems to be the cause, because the PS4 still outsold XB1 in March. They gambled hoping that titanfall would sell the xb1.. hell, it was a common marketing scheme since the unveiling of Titanfall and that it was only on Xbox. what other ammo did MS have against Sony? fact of the matter is, for both MS and EA, they banked on Titanfall moving product, period. If titanfall on xbox was a success, wouldn't you expect to hear something about it, especially after 2 months already? MS would be making claims of "we sold so and so.." instead of "we shipped so and so..", "we've got 10 mil mintues logged in twitch..", "players have shot so and so bullets." That's BS marketing spin to advertently dodge the real question... how much did Titanfall help push your product?
Titanfall a success? For Respawn definitely. For EA, meh. For MS.. no way jose.
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wary-wallaroo said:
Yes it's all business. That doesn't mean we can't criticize it. There's a reason that there's so much Haye for MS nowadays |
What I do not understand is what is there to criticize. Can you explain to me why this was not the smart move on MS. It killed all that talk about timed exclusive many PS gamers were hoping for. I really cannot see anything wrong in MS securing a game they invested money into. At best you can criticize EA for taking the money but even then, video games are a business. EA has been running red for a few years and securing money is never going to be bad in a risk based business like video games.
Here is a quote from a Sony exec before MS locked that exclusive deal
"Nah we might have to wait another year or so but I've got a good feeling it'll come to PS4."
Do you think MS want the competition making such bold statements trying to add FUD to their investment.
| Mr_No said: This is exactly what I was thinking too. The game is good, but not a GOTG. I'm tired too about people claiming this game is so perfect that it can outmatch Jesus' second coming. I'm all for people liking it, but in my opinion the game is not that good. We have just started this generation, there will be games that can blow this one out of the water. |
To me, it's a fun shooter, but other than that, it's just another generic FPS. The inclusion of bots holds the game back not to mention how horrible the framerate drops in certain conditions. There are much better shooters in the previous generation, so I just don't understand why so many people considered Titanfall to be the "be all, end all". It's a good game, but to call it GOTG or the X1's savior is downright silly and baseless.
BillyBong said:
oh right.. so MS bought the exclusive just because.. had nothing to do with trying to push their hardware. lol.. either titanfall pushed their hardware, which MS can comment about, or it didn't.. which seems to be the cause, because the PS4 still outsold XB1 in March. They gambled hoping that titanfall would sell the xb1.. hell, it was a common marketing scheme since the unveiling of Titanfall and that it was only on Xbox. what other ammo did MS have against Sony? fact of the matter is, for both MS and EA, they banked on Titanfall moving product, period. If titanfall on xbox was a success, wouldn't you expect to hear something about it, especially after 2 months already? MS would be making claims of "we sold so and so.." instead of "we shipped so and so..", "we've got 10 mil mintues logged in twitch..", "players have shot so and so bullets." That's BS marketing spin to advertently dodge the real question... how much did Titanfall help push your product? Titanfall a success? For Respawn definitely. For EA, meh. For MS.. no way jose. |
Even though X1 didn't outsell PS4 in march, the gap would have been WAY wider had Titanfall not release. It gave X1 an average of 20k boost per week after the initial week 1 sales spike. Not to mention everybody who will be renewing their gold after the 1 month trial runs out. You have to think outside simple "X console outselling Y console" boundaries.
The only loser may just be EA since those bundled copies aren't bringing them any revenue, just a incentive to buy MS's console. Maybe DLC can keep revenue coming in nicely.
Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.
It may not have pushed the X1 ahead of the PS4, but it certainly helped it not get completely annihilated in March. That alone is a win for Microsoft.
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