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Pemalite said:
 


I'm not speaking out of context, it's within the confounds of the discussion at hand.

I'm happily part of the "PC Gaming Master Race".
Would I classify myself as a nerd? Heck yes.
But, I work hard, I can then in turn spend money however I god damn desire.

I also enjoy motorcross riding, snowboarding, skateboarding, mountain bike riding and long walks on the beach which is mere meters from my front door, thus by extension I don't really fit into your generic and possibly oft-wrong pigeon hole.

However, I have to admit I do feel superior to console gamers in my no-compromise gaming platform, but that's just smugness on my behalf.

 

Speaking out of term signifies speaking out of context. Just like what you're doing right now because I wasn't even addressing you.

Now since you have my attention, I'll admit to you that you don't seem superior at all when it comes to gaming, at least for my standards. Assuming that all you game on is on PC of course. If you don't have the luxury of experiencing the best of both worlds, PC and consoles, then to me you're just another pc gamer trying to feel relevant by calling themselves a master race.

I'm not targetting you. This just goes to those that downplay console users.



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Eh, in my opinion a 5 year old computer that cost $400 beats the hell out of last gen and this gen consoles in terms of games available and cheapness.

I know because well... I just replaced mine, and it did a lot better for me then my PS3, Wii, 360, PSP and 3DS combined.

 

Outside which, the money arguement can literally be made for any platform.  So what's the arguement... there is no superior console beause they all cost different amounts of money?

 

Also, i'm not Johnny how to spennd your money or anything... but if you are balking the extra price for a gaming PC you probably shouldn't be buying any dedicated gaming console thats more then like $300 bucks n the first place.



Anfebious said:

You all heard millions of times that PC gamers are suppossed to be the master race right? Well I'm here to defy that notion and open your eyes to the truth people.

The notion that there is a master race within the PC race is correct though. What do I mean by this? Well there is no "PC master race" but another kind of race within it. It's called "Rich people". If PC gaming truly was the master race then everyone who had a PC would be able to enjoy the benefits of it. But there is no such thing as that in the PC realm. That realm is reigned by money, and the one who pays the most is the guy who enjoys the most.

So, to experience a "full power PC" we would have to make a great investment. That automatically takes out a big portion of the PC userbase out of it, because not everyone is willing to spend money on that and not everyone has the money to spend on that kind of thing. So you see, having a PC doesn't make you "Master Race". I have one, and it lacks audio, even league of legends runs at 15 FPS in this piece of shit.

In the end the true master race in gaming is "rich people". Not only these people can afford a PC, but they can also afford multiple gaming consoles. I think it's pretty clear who is the real "master race"


I have a 2008 PC that cost me 600 (just because of fancy LED power supply with detachable cords  and fancy LED case with window and more stuff noone needs like MUGEN CPU cooler and 5 case fans and custom GPU cooler and whatnot)  and I can still play every game in 1080p at ultra/high)

Its less "rich people" and more "build it yourself because you know what you are doing people"

I can do 1000x more things with a PC than I can do with a console (photoshop etc.)  and dont forget that you can make the games better by modding them they also are cheaper on PC (lets say I would buy games day1 - which I would never do with third party games btw- when I buy 20 games for 50 bucks on PC compared to 60 on console I already saved 200 bucks. In theory my $600€ PC now just costs $400€. Waiting a year or so for the games to drop to $5-10€ makes it even better.)


So again  its not really a "rich people" more of a "not so convenient/lazy people" thing.

I mean how many people say "I want to play games with a controller while sitting on my couch in front of my TV" ? 
Well I am exactly doing this with my PC because I could be bothered to connect my PC to my TV and buy a "$5€-xbox360-receiver-for-pc-knockoff" from china.

And my PC also just has HDMI and Powercord sticking out of it so no cable tangle at all.



Sure-tell sign of a pleb: Actually taking the whole master race joke seriously :P

Enough with the jokes, even my (by now) pretty crappy old rig which cost about 700€ to build (since it wasn't my first rig I didn't have to buy monitor/keyboard/mouse/Windows etc. though) in 2008 (just to compare: PS3 was 499€/599€ back then) completely SMOKES a PS3 and to this day has even pretty new games at over 30fps with high details and 1080p. Factor in stuff like Steam Sales, Humble Bundle etc. and you've got a happy member of the master race right here :P

That being said, I'm glad to be a multi-console owner as well. Dat sexy exclusives ;)



Kasz216 said:

Eh, in my opinion a 5 year old computer that cost $400 beats the hell out of last gen and this gen consoles in terms of games available and cheapness.

I know because well... I just replaced mine, and it did a lot better for me then my PS3, Wii, 360, PSP and 3DS combined.

 

Outside which, the money arguement can literally be made for any platform.  So what's the arguement... there is no superior console beause they all cost different amounts of money?

 

Also, i'm not Johnny how to spennd your money or anything... but if you are balking the extra price for a gaming PC you probably shouldn't be buying any dedicated gaming console thats more then like $300 bucks n the first place.

A 5 year old computer that cost 400$ surely cant play most of the modern day games? Perhaps a modern pc that costs around that much...

Was that a mistake?

Edit: For that amount of money 5 years ago you could probably get a HD5770 and an i3 in late 2009. I really dont think that setup would be ideal for gaming as of right now. And thats excluding other mandatory costs.



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pokoko said:
The reality is that the average PC gamer is not that bothered with ultra-high graphics and has a machine that's likely behind the PS4 and Xbox One. The "Master Race" gamers that people talk about are only a small sub-set of PC gamers in general. Most Steam users, for example, still have computers with only 2 CPU cores.

Even beyond that, I've found that modern PC gamers in general often have a more open mind than your average console gamer. PC gamers were the first to embrace indie games, F2P titles, and MMOs. They are spread out over all kinds of genres and demographics. It's been (some) console gamers that I've seen express hate for smaller developers and a desire to only play "AAA".

As the cost of owning a decent PC has gone down, the demographics have changed markedly.

So true pokoko! I think a lot of people miss this fact. Majority of PC gamers don't play your average console games and are abslutely not worried about graphics or PC parts.

They are happy to be playing LoL on their laptop.



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Shinobi-san said:

A 5 year old computer that cost 400$ surely cant play most of the modern day games? Perhaps a modern pc that costs around that much...

Was that a mistake?

Edit: For that amount of money 5 years ago you could probably get a HD5770 and an i3 in late 2009. I really dont think that setup would be ideal for gaming as of right now. And thats excluding other mandatory costs.


i got for ~$500 an i7-860@3.8ghz, 4gb ram and a hd5770 late 2009
while you can play them you wont be able to at 1080p60 on high, at best low-medium with 2x aa maybe 30fps on medium/high without aa at best (bf4, thief etc.)

thats maybe why i upgraded 6month ago, but only because my mothers pc died and I gave her my old pc and I then got a new one for ~$500 again.
now I got an i5-4670k@4.4ghz, 8gb ram, and a hd7870/rx270

now with that you can play those multiplat games like thief in a higher res and fps than the ps4/bone counterpart, but thats only because the console games are at the beginning and they don't know how to optimize it 100% for consoles.

I hope I can keep this pc for the whole gen, maybe at the end of the gen 1080p30 medium only, but thats fine.

for console exclusives you still need a console. getting a ps4 soon in addition to my wiiu.



@OP

For one thing, I think it was always half-joking.

For another, personally, I still miss the days when you'd say the term "PC Gaming", and that actually meant something, because PC Gaming was something totally different and separate, outside of a few ports here and there, from console gaming. And that was great, because then you had both gaming worlds to enjoy.

Nowadays, it honestly seems like over half the people that claim to be "PC Gamers", simply mean that they play ports of console games on Steam, mostly likely with a controller even. Not the same thing, and not genuinely a "PC Gamer", by a longshot.

Me personally? While I have enjoyed many of the classic PC games back in the day, I've also always just preferred to play games on a game console, relaxing in front of a TV.



Lusche said:
Shinobi-san said:

A 5 year old computer that cost 400$ surely cant play most of the modern day games? Perhaps a modern pc that costs around that much...

Was that a mistake?

Edit: For that amount of money 5 years ago you could probably get a HD5770 and an i3 in late 2009. I really dont think that setup would be ideal for gaming as of right now. And thats excluding other mandatory costs.


i got for ~$500 an i7-860@3.8ghz, 4gb ram and a hd5770 late 2009
while you can play them you wont be able to at 1080p60 on high, at best low-medium with 2x aa maybe 30fps on medium/high without aa at best (bf4, thief etc.)

thats maybe why i upgraded 6month ago, but only because my mothers pc died and I gave her my old pc and I then got a new one for ~$500 again.
now I got an i5-4670k@4.4ghz, 8gb ram, and a hd7870/rx270

now with that you can play those multiplat games like thief in a higher res and fps than the ps4/bone counterpart, but thats only because the console games are at the beginning and they don't know how to optimize it 100% for consoles.

I hope I can keep this pc for the whole gen, maybe at the end of the gen 1080p30 medium only, but thats fine.

for console exclusives you still need a console. getting a ps4 soon in addition to my wiiu.


What about powersupply, case, mobo, OS and peripherals? We not speaking about the cost of upgrading we speaking about the cost of a new PC 5 years ago. A 5770 should be fine if you see my update but you probably wont be able to get an i7. If you factor in all of the additional costs then it probably wont hold up well today.



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Shinobi-san said:

What about powersupply, case, mobo, OS and peripherals? We not speaking about the cost of upgrading we speaking about the cost of a new PC 5 years ago. A 5770 should be fine if you see my update but you probably wont be able to get an i7. If you factor in all of the additional costs then it probably wont hold up well today.


obviously you can only get those for that price if you already have parts left.

the so called "pc master race" should have plenty of them left like casing, mouse, keyboard, psu, monitor.
you usually buy them once and only replace it after it dies. my peripherals from ~10years ago still working and cases usally don't break and my psu is around since the c2d was introduced.

its true the first time investment is higher, depending on your taste even expensive.
but to be honest after your first time investment you can keep them almost forever. even my first usb mouse still works (ms intelli explorer)

after that you should only upgrade parts needed to be cost efficient.