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Kyuu said:
leyendax69 said:
And Team Ico like there is nothing wrong. If it wasn't because they have 2 masterpieces on their backs, the entire team would be fired by now. On topic: good to know, I just hope the new people is as good or better.


Well the key people involved with Team ICO have already left Sony a while ago. The lead designer, Fumito Ueda, no longer works for Sony but still is under contract to finish the game. The Last Guardian's executive producer and Kenji Kaido would also "resign" soon afterwards.

Basically Team ICO got a strong hit as well and the remaining members will probably be fired or scattered into other Japan Studio teams as soon as The Last Guardian is released.

Yes, I knew it. And I think they deserve it :(



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EB1994 said:
No way Stigs project cost them 100M...I can't believe that. Didn't games like Uncharted and TLOU cost like what...30-40m? Killzone 3 like 20M? What the hell was Stig using that 100M for lol...


It's been in development for about 4 years and was restarted from twice. We also don't know the size of the team working on it and the type of resources his game needed in particular. 100M is probably a stretch but I can believe it was a pretty high number.



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Kyuu said:
leyendax69 said:

Yes, I knew it. And I think they deserve it :(

oi donchu say mean things about my dear Team ICO!

 

You're probably right but it wont make it any less sad seeing them fade away..

T___T I'll miss them bad!

I won't, guess they got what they deserve. Besides they are plotting something, I can see it in their eyes!



curl-6 said:
EB1994 said:
No way Stigs project cost them 100M...I can't believe that. Didn't games like Uncharted and TLOU cost like what...30-40m? Killzone 3 like 20M? What the hell was Stig using that 100M for lol...

They said they'd been woking on it since 2010 and had rebooted it 3 times.

That's what i think too. If they had rebooted it three times it's certainly possible they could have hit that 75 million mark he mentioned. Still, as depressing as it is to hear they wasted all that money, it's good news to know that things aren't completely falling apart like some thought. SSM's simultaneous expansion and layoffs suddenly make a lot more sense, assuming this is all true.



Zekkyou said:
curl-6 said:
EB1994 said:
No way Stigs project cost them 100M...I can't believe that. Didn't games like Uncharted and TLOU cost like what...30-40m? Killzone 3 like 20M? What the hell was Stig using that 100M for lol...

They said they'd been woking on it since 2010 and had rebooted it 3 times.

That's what i think too. If they had rebooted it three times it's certainly possible they could have hit that 75 million mark he mentioned. Still, as depressing as it is to hear they wasted all that money, it's good news to know that things aren't completely falling apart like some thought. SSM's simultaneous expansion and layoffs suddenly make a lot more sense, assuming this is all true.

I never bought into all the doom talk myself. If there's one thing I've learned on VGChartz, it's that objects are always less doomed than they appear. ;)



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Jeez ... 100 million dollars on a game so crap it couldn't even be released? This industry is going to eventually become like the movie studio system where you're left with only 5-6 major studios.



leyendax69 said:
And Team Ico like there is nothing wrong. If it wasn't because they have 2 masterpieces on their backs, the entire team would be fired by now. On topic: good to know, I just hope the new people is as good or better.


To be honest, I don't even think anyone outside of Sony knows if Team ICO even still exists. That team could have been canned after the restructuring of Japan Studio and they just have other people working on The Last Guardian with the former head of the team providing oversight as he claimed. You produced two awesome games that didn't sell that many copies back on the PlayStation 2 and then you miss an entire generation and a lengthy one at that? As far as I'd be concerned your time is up. Though I am really curious to hear the reactions from certain people a year from now when all of this doesn't end up making a damn bit of difference. I smell a lot of desperation.



This just screams control after the recent layoffs. Plus its from dualshockers who are not the best source for unbiased Sony news lol.



 

manny10032 said:
Seece said:
manny10032 said:
EspadaGrim said:
I think Evolution Studios could be in danger of being shut down IMO


Yeah they have to be the next to get "cuts". They missed the launch deadline and they still have no set release date. 

 

And 100MIL is A LOT to invest in a failed game. Sony must of had a lot of trust on this dude to let him throw away 100MIL.

It's an insame amount, christ think of what you could do with that 0_o.

Even in terms of video game budgest it's high.


What I don't understand (in business terms) is how do you let him reset the project so many times? It makes no business sense at all. 

and yes 100MIL is crazy high budget for a new IP

I have been on a game project reset 3 times (far far from 100 millions $, but still). I came to the project for the 3rd reset as a developer (some kind of "Obiwan, your are our only hope... and you have 1 month" mode). What happens is that you don't have so much people inside with experience enough to manage a project. That makes sense, because  you size your employees and skills for what you actually do. Also  the director has an excellent reputation of success, so it's hard to give the project to someone with less experience/reputation, and hard to think than with a demotivated team a new challenger will help. Because you lost so many money, you have even lesser time and money than the previous attempt... Then you face reality, close the project and give the the guy a lesser good position. Even Obiwan could not save it. Shit happen ;)

In short, in business term, you do with what you have, even if what you have already failed, because you don't have better to achieve the target.



Dark_Feanor said:
manny10032 said:
Dark_Feanor said:
Peter Dodd in full damage control.

He is just starting making shits up.

If he was any valuable insider he would have called even one of the departures and layoffs.

Pathetic, playing with people jobs and reputation just to praise a company, a company that in the last 2 years had layedoff almost 20k workers.


damage control??? everything he said made sense. you burn 100MIL and your project sucks..you get canned. simple!


No, nothing he said makes any sense... 

And if he is a inserder he would have broke this "issues" a long time ago. 

But, no, he just missed every single one of the layoffs and any other.

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Exactly ....if he's an insider why he didn't predict or say anything about the hundreds that was going to lose their jobs or the CEO leaving or the other numerous execs leaving also this is from a pro Sony website it's well known that dual shockers is bias playstation if you read their articles it always spin stories for Sony if you don't believe look on n4g and see how many favorable articles they write for playstation and always dogging Microsoft or nintendo ..they were the same ones saying japan didn't have any playstation stock which is why sales are low the first few weeks also that Sony is not in financial trouble etc ...if you think I'm lying check it yourself  also they always write favorable Sony playstation stories or spin the story so it favors a good outcome or explanation for Sony just like this article  ..if you don't believe watch the next article about anything positive written or favorable for Sony it's gonna be written by dual shockers ....stop entertaining rumors and so called insiders and state actual facts dual shockers it's never hardly any statement from companies always insiders or a rumor ....