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milkyjoe on 26 March 2014
Seece said:
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lkyjoe said:
Seece said:

Ah so the recent trends mean nothing to you, ok. You never would have predicted 3DS would be down 50% YoY on average weekly, and you despite this happening you don't entertain the idea it could happen again? What did pokemon ect do for 3DS exactly? The console has been down YOY for ages now. There is nothing to suggest 3DS doesn't fall to 20k weekly in Japan next year (which isn't even down 50%) and the Vita sustains around the level. Heck it already is without software.

Don't try and make out it's an outlandish claim, I've already proven you wrong once. Also don't forget that PSP took off late in Japan but when it did, it was a powerhouse.

Yeah, Pokemon did nothing for the 3DS, it only sold over 200k in Japan that week (which is 10x your predicted weekly baseline there). Monster Hunter does nothing either, MH4 took the 3DS to 275k and MHTriG took it to 350k.

And the PSP took off because it had all the mainline Monster Hunter games. Which are now 3DS exclusive. I mean... come on.

Recent trends are recent trends, they can be changed by one truly big game, which Vita never gets.

Yeah lets use pokemons launch week as a basis for the weekly average rather than look at what it's done for the last 6 weeks which is around 30k. Are you seriously suggesting that?

Monster hunter is exclusive for now.

That's funny, you seem to want to ignore that for the 3DS. Go look at this weeks numbers, THAT is the recent trend and that only has to fall 30% to hit 20k weekly like I suggested.

Also, unless you've seen Nintendos contract with Capcom, you don't know if MH will ever come to vita.


You asked what a Pokemon game could do, so I pointed out it could take the 3DS to 10x your projected baseline. That is not the same as saying that 200k is my projected baseline... 

Of course MH is exclusive right now, maybe it will stay that way, maybe it won't, but I'd say assuming the status quo is a more logical choice, especially when Capcom's long term goal is to grow the franchise in the west, and Sony have been unwilling to help out with that where Nintendo have.

The point is it doesn't matter if the 3DS drops to whatever during slow weeks when it can pull off 2-3 months worth of Vita sales at their absolute best in just one week with just one game release, and that is not something the Vita is capable of counteracting.

Anyway, if you're so adamant that this is going to happen, I'll see you every so often to remind you of this. Of course, then you'll just say you were just playing devils advocate and it wasn't really a prediction....



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Zekkyou on 26 March 2014
kirby007 said:
My guess from the LTD Gen 8 prediction was that in 2016 Nintendo will release the Nintendo Unity Tablet System.

N.U.T.S.

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I like it.



DanneSandin on 26 March 2014

I really don't think we'll see a new gaming hardware from Nintendo until 2016 at the earliest. 2017 is probably more likely.

Nintendo will launch their QOL next year, and I don't think they're capable of launching two new products the same year; there's quite a bit of cost involved when launching a new product.

If the next console is a hybrid, I think 2017 is a good year to launch - unless the 3DS really bombs this and the next year.



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mii-gamer on 26 March 2014
snowdog said:
The 3DS is selling fine. What's the point of this thread..?

I know the point, but I won't say it for obvious reasons :P

This was the 3ds last year

this is the 3ds this year

Maybe he is implying that the 3ds needs a



Seece on 26 March 2014
Mnementh said:
Seece said:
 

Not personal, just the first person on the web I've met that thinks WiiU meets core gamers needed. It doesn't and that's why it isn't selling well (as well as not being targetted at casuals too). The online is not viewed as being anything to shout about by core gamers, it has barely any third party support and the fact that is' lacking in power is half of the equation as to why it isn't getting third party support.

You keep being inconcrete. 'The online is not viewed as being anything to shout about by core gamers, it has barely any third party support and the fact that is' lacking in power is half of the equation as to why it isn't getting third party support.'

To be clear where I want to go with this discussion: you say Nintendo should get better in sales, if they release a new hardware with a better focus - to hardcore probably. But if we get to the details it is something like better online, without specifying what should change. It is better 3rd-party-support, although I already showed that WiiU had the support at the start, as well as the PS4. The 3rd-party-support then were going away, as the platform received bad sales. And the new hardware should be more powerful. So next year Nintendo has a new console with twice the power of the PS4 for $450 probably, better online (you still have to specify what better means in detail) and get again big 3rd-party-support at the start. Maybe some moneyhatting too. I say this box will fail even worse than the WiiU.

Because the 'worse for hardcore' thing is a perception thing. You talked about 3rd-party, didn't realize Nintendo organized 3rd-party support for the launch. Because the perception was, it's from Nintendo, that's why it has bad 3rd-party support. You couldn't name anything about the online, still you claim it is worse. I can say: perception! Even the power-thing will change nothing. If Nintendo releases such a box, everyone still will say they failed to focus on the hardcore. Because it's already the perception without looking in detail - it's a Nintendo-console, that's why it is not focused on the hardcore. Nintendo will need multiple generations and a lot of money to change this image. That's why a new hardware that will try this focus will even fail harder. Your plan will ruin Nintendo.

Nope, where did I say this? I said their dual approach could yield better results.



 

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Seece on 26 March 2014
mii-gamer said:
snowdog said:
The 3DS is selling fine. What's the point of this thread..?

I know the point, but I won't say it for obvious reasons :P

This was the 3ds last year

this is the 3ds this year

Maybe he is implying that the 3ds needs a

Ah I love people who don't bother researching. 3DS selling sub 10m this year is not great for Nintendo, their handheld line or the industry. The handheld industry must have contracted something like 70% at this rate, wasn't DS selling 30m+ in its 4th year?



 

Nem on 26 March 2014

Doubt it. Nintendo has been showing they are slow to react and doing that would be a terrible mistake in the first place. So, unless they somehow plan to unite their portable and home console markets, its just not likely.

Assumptions that having a new console that is more powerful would land better support are highly unfounded. The Vita waves.



jonathanalis on 26 March 2014

QoL.



Seece on 26 March 2014
Nem said:

Doubt it. Nintendo has been showing they are slow to react and doing that would be a terrible mistake in the first place. So, unless they somehow plan to unite their portable and home console markets, its just not likely.

Assumptions that having a new console that is more powerful would land better support are highly unfounded. The Vita waves.

Totally agree, it wouldn't do a whole lot for Nintendo as it's only partially the problem. Like I said in the OP, their best bet going forward is to unify their handheld and home console. With 3DS coming in 2010? Maybe we'll see that sooner than they anticpated.



 

mii-gamer on 26 March 2014
Seece said:
mii-gamer said:
snowdog said:
The 3DS is selling fine. What's the point of this thread..?

I know the point, but I won't say it for obvious reasons :P

This was the 3ds last year

this is the 3ds this year

Maybe he is implying that the 3ds needs a

Ah I love people who don't bother researching. 3DS selling sub 10m this year is not great for Nintendo, their handheld line or the industry. The handheld industry must have contracted something like 70% at this rate, wasn't DS selling 30m+ in its 4th year?

Dude you need to relax - my post was a joke - clearly you missed the dragon ball pics.  You hostile post was not neccessary and not appreciated.

No one arguing against the fact the 3ds is down yoy, but it is selling well - it certainly isn't as bad as you are insinuating and situation can be turned around. It may not be selling as good as the DS - but will any future console will sell as well as the DS? The DS is the exception and not the rule. It's narrow minded perspective like this that tick people off.

All your doing - like all your other thread - is doom mongering. Like with your previous thread (and this thread) - even when users have proper discussions  with you - your mindset will not change - its doomed or nothing.

When users call out your obvious agenda - you threaten them with a ban. It's habitual and predictable - one could only assume that you do this to rub Nintendo fans the wrong way.

Go ahead and report me- i think it is time for someone to call out your bullshit