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SubiyaCryolite on 01 April 2014
marioboy2004 said:

Don't u think western developers wanted better specs?  Maybe something stronger?  Do you think the wii u would be worse off (sales wise) with better third party support?


Nintendo didnt consult any 3rd party developer early in cafes development. Furthermore the gamecube will be used as "proof" that hardware and software parity arent enough for nintendo to do well.

I think all of that is BS and if Nintendo had tried to position the WiiU like the PSOne (hardcore + casual friendly, third party support, not the most powerful but powerful enough (clearly better than last gen, no optimisation, lazy dev  BS)) they would have done really well. Alas



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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Soundwave on 01 April 2014

GameCube could've sold 40-50 million units, Nintendo just mishandled the console entirely. It should've launched in fall 2000 for starters.

If they had launched a year earlier by moving some late gen N64 projects over (Zelda: Majora's Mask, Perfect Dark, Conker's BFD ... these games barely ran on the N64 anyway) they would have done reasonably well. Not enough to deter Sony from winning the generation but enough probably to close Microsoft out of the market (1 year too late and XBox is suddenly a third wheel console).

N64 could've been transitioned over to being more a Pokemon/kids console by 2000 or so, hell they did release that Pikachu N64. 

I think $199.99 as a price point was a mistake too. $249.99 with double the RAM would've been a better play IMO, really would've increased the gap between PS2 and GCN multiplats and Nintendo still would be cheaper. Mini-DVDs was stupid too, use full size discs, if people want to watch DVDs, they can buy a $30 Nintendo Remote (which cleverly would off-load the DVD licensing fees away from the system).



Michael-5 on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry, I meant GTA not GT. There were 2 GT games, which easily outsold the 2 best MH games. I think GTA was a much bigger game changer then MH.

Still PSP had GTA for NA/EU, GoW for NA, GT for EU, Crisis Core (among other JRPG's) for NA/J, and Monster Hunter for J.....

Vita has Uncharted and Assassin's Creed for NA, and Persona for NA/J............not the same as PSP, Vita is a flop for many reasons like this.

But there were more MH games than GT games.  MH kept PSP globally relevant long after NA had given up on it.

Maybe, but Europe held strong longer then Japan

Without MH, you'd be shaving  huge chunk off PSP's lifetime sales.

Same for GTA, plus without GTA sales would not have risen as much as they did outside of Japan.



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oniyide on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

its says high as well, lets throw xone in the mix. PS3 was STILL doing better than WIi U in the same time frame so i dont evne know why you brought that up

Because PS4 is the exception to the rule. Generally a more expensive console, like the PS3/360/Wii U, will not hit its real stride until it drops in price.

and xone? thats doing a hell of a lot better than Wii U and thats even MORE expensive. This isnt about hitting strides, whatever that means. Its about how well a console is doing at a specifc time. YOu keep saying th price is hurting it, but how come its not hurting the other two? Its a simple question answer it. and keep in mind Even PS360 were doing alot better and they were not cheap



oniyide on 01 April 2014
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

its says high as well, lets throw xone in the mix. PS3 was STILL doing better than WIi U in the same time frame so i dont evne know why you brought that up

Because PS4 is the exception to the rule. Generally a more expensive console, like the PS3/360/Wii U, will not hit its real stride until it drops in price.


System's today really are not as expensive as people make them out to be. 

The Super NES when inflation is taken into account was the equivalent of $337 at launch. The original Game Boy would be $183. The Playstation clocks in at $451. The GameCube $264. 

$400 today or less in today's market for a relatively high end piece of electronics is a fairly affordble price. 

By and large most electronics are cheaper today actually than they used to be back in 80s/90s. If you wanted a really high end TV back then you have to pay a good $3000 to get one, DVD players were $1000+ at launch and for quite a while, a nicely speced PC also cost a lot more back then. 

i suspect he'll keep ignoring this. You and I know, hell just about everyone at this point knows the WIi U is doing bad becasue it is not desirable. Price has little to do with it as we have two consoles who are crapping all over it sales wise for much higher prices. He will ignore this becasue he cannot accept that the product he loves is not loved by most gamers. I mean the evidence is right there.



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ninetailschris on 01 April 2014

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

The problem is though they haven't made any money during the 3DS era (three straight years of operating losses) and more importantly if the traditional handheld market is on a decline, then it has huge implications for how Nintendo has to do business going forward. 

In other words ... it's not really shocking that they are scrambling to find new business areas (quality of life). I think they are hedging against a full on collapse in the console biz combined with their handheld business declining to pre-1998 levels. 

I don't think smartphones are even near a saturation point yet either, I think as more time goes on, more kids will start to get their own phones at an earlier and earlier age. 

So basically, "Nintendo is doomed"?


As a business, no, I suspect honestly even if worse came to worse, Nintendo would end up jumping in bed with some other company or going on to make high margin products in other industries. They would still find a way to exploit their character IP too. 

I mean, a Victoria Secret model is still a Victoria Secret model even if her marriage falls apart, there likely would be no shortage of rich, wealthy suitors lining up to date if she ever got on the market, lol. 

So Nintendo will never be like Sega. 

But as far as "traditional" Nintendo, as in the one that you and I grew up with? That company may be in jeporday of never being quite the same, but really when you think about it, Nintendo has been basically been using the same business model for almost 30 years now. I mean how much has the world changed since then, how many popular trends have come and gone, how much has technology changed since then ... that I don't think they neccessarily have anything to hang their head about. 

Honestly I'm not even sure if video games is that great of a business to begin with ... is anyone really making any money here? lol. Even the big pubs seem to be bleeding losses, and some day GTA and Call of Duty will fade too, so where will Rockstar and Activision be then? It's a tough business honestly, this isn't for the faint of heart. 

The 3ds would have made money year ago but there was this other console. I think you need to do a bit more critical thinking and less narrow thinking. Nintendo own reports that wiiu was reason for no profits. Your grouping problems when there is no actually connections.





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WiiBox3 on 01 April 2014

For me, I just think the 3DS has a much better software line up so far. And one of the best Zelda games of all time.



Soundwave on 01 April 2014
WiiBox3 said:
For me, I just think the 3DS has a much better software line up so far. And one of the best Zelda games of all time.


Yeah to be honest I prefer the 3DS lineup to the DS one ... the 3DS has a better 2D Mario (NSMB2 > NSMB1), a better 3D Mario, a better Zelda, and Kid Icarus is pretty great. Pilotwings is actually fairly decent too (great use of the 3D effect), just on the short side. Fire Emblem on the 3DS is better than the DS ones too. Monster Hunter was added to the mix, so were two Resident Evil games. 

It just needs an Advance Wars game now and more Final Fantasy. 



zorg1000 on 01 April 2014
Soundwave said:
WiiBox3 said:
For me, I just think the 3DS has a much better software line up so far. And one of the best Zelda games of all time.


Yeah to be honest I prefer the 3DS lineup to the DS one ... the 3DS has a better 2D Mario (NSMB2 > NSMB1), a better 3D Mario, a better Zelda, and Kid Icarus is pretty great. Pilotwings is actually fairly decent too (great use of the 3D effect), just on the short side. Fire Emblem on the 3DS is better than the DS ones too. Monster Hunter was added to the mix, so were two Resident Evil games. 

It just needs an Advance Wars game now and more Final Fantasy. 


Dont forget 2D Metroid, ill be pissed if that doesnt come to 3DS.



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nitekrawler1285 on 01 April 2014
oniyide said:
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

its says high as well, lets throw xone in the mix. PS3 was STILL doing better than WIi U in the same time frame so i dont evne know why you brought that up

Because PS4 is the exception to the rule. Generally a more expensive console, like the PS3/360/Wii U, will not hit its real stride until it drops in price.


System's today really are not as expensive as people make them out to be. 

The Super NES when inflation is taken into account was the equivalent of $337 at launch. The original Game Boy would be $183. The Playstation clocks in at $451. The GameCube $264. 

$400 today or less in today's market for a relatively high end piece of electronics is a fairly affordble price. 

By and large most electronics are cheaper today actually than they used to be back in 80s/90s. If you wanted a really high end TV back then you have to pay a good $3000 to get one, DVD players were $1000+ at launch and for quite a while, a nicely speced PC also cost a lot more back then. 

i suspect he'll keep ignoring this. You and I know, hell just about everyone at this point knows the WIi U is doing bad becasue it is not desirable. Price has little to do with it as we have two consoles who are crapping all over it sales wise for much higher prices. He will ignore this becasue he cannot accept that the product he loves is not loved by most gamers. I mean the evidence is right there.

I would say the inflation argument is invalid personally.  Consumers don't compare inflation adjusted prices.  They compare MSRP.  When compared by MSRP as customers would you can clearly see that Nintendo has never had such a high MSRP for any of their home consoles or handhelds as the Wii U and 3DS(In both cases a full $100 more than ever before).  So while inflation may say that it isn't that much more expensive or cheaper that isn't going to be consumer reaction.  

Even if Wii U is cheaper if it doesn't get or play the games that PS360 customers want it doesn't offer the same value in comparison.  The problem is Nintendo trying to be directly comparable when they obviously aren't.