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padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Might I ask who is claiming these features are perfectly doable? Is it perhaps the companies that are paying to put the port on the system? Cause if anyone but them said it was doable I would be hardpressed to believe them, unless they implimented themselves.

I mean, people buy Nintendo Consoles for Mario, why wouldn't they buy PS4/XB1 for FFXV? Don't be so greedy.

Why not Sony just make all of their exclusives multiplat. That way if you don't want a PS4 you can still play games like I:SS or something. Better yet, Why don't all big 3 just make all 3 of their games multiplat and on PC. That way nobody has to buy a console they don't want or even multiple consoles at all. Plus they get more software sales to boot.

Why is it Activision fault for not giving ghosts DLC on Wii U, why isn't it Nintendo's fault for having a shitty online marketplace?

Excuses/Defense breeds mediocrity.

I mean I could use your own faulty argument to ask why 3D world won't come to the PS4, the PS4 could easily run 3D world. With its high metacritic it would obviously do well on it and make Nintendo a lot of money.

@bold. Typically an intelligent person. Using only the example I gave you: Madden. When the version on the other consoles gets current year players and the U version gets last years' players, you know we're not dealing with technical limitations.

@Mario. Sure, some people buy Nintendo consoles for Mario alone, but many don't. Don't be so categorical.

@1st party multiplats. Because they would have less console buyers: it doesn't suit their interests. I hope you realize SE is not first party.

@Ghosts. That's another case with its own arguments. However it certainly is not due to technical limitations.

@Mediocrity. Bias breeds mediocrity. Don't make use of it.

@Faulty argument. What faulty argument? No one in their right minds would argue that 1st parties should make their games multiplat. I thought you were more intelligent than this, but it seems you're much like all the others: you don't make sense because you are taking sides.

How is any of this at all relevant?

How am I taking sides?

Excuses/Defense are just aspects of Bias.

Your argument is worthless. And since you want to attack my credibility with your ad hominem insults. I will carefully explain to you why your argument is bullshit.

The point of this thread is that Zero is using screenshots as evidence of the game being easily portable to the wii u. It should be obvious why this is invalid. However, considering the game was first developed on the PS3, and then overhauled so that it could only be done on PS4/XB1, its not a strech to say that the Wii U version would be downgraded, the specs alone should make it obvious regardless of what your imaginary "intellgent people would say."

I told Zero that its possible but not without severe downgrades that would make the game worse and that would make the game sell worse as practically every multiplat on the wii u, that didn't start on the wi u, has done so. Because the Wii U version of the game would be the worst despite being the same price we would see further defense of the Wii U by people arguing that it was X companies fault for not porting it to their full potential.

Then you wanted to argue that the 3rd parties are "removing features that were perfectly doable". You claim that "intelligent people" say so. Well why the fuck is that at all relevant. If those "intelligent people" aren't paying for the port to be made, how do they know what was doable, just because the specs say so? That ludicrous.

Then you say that what if people don't want a PS4 but still want a FF game? That argument is absolutely worthless! You have the gall to defend exclusivity because it adds value to a console but then hypocritically argue that its not fair that some one has to buy a PS4 for ffxv.

Just because I'm arguing with you doesn't mean this is a fanboy fight, I'm arguing with you because you are wrong.

 

You use the example Madden to argue how its not techincal limitations, you're completly ignoring all of the other limitations thats held back the wii u's features.



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VXIII said:

"The fluidity of animations in XV are unmatched, there is soft animation for almost every element like hair and cloth."

if you look at the cgi parts, yes. actual gameplay is normal. check the scene where the blond guy shows up behind noctis to shoot someone.

"Dynamic lightning, real-time weather simulation for the clouds, wind and water."

that's nice but how does it make it impossible on wii u?

"Battles take place in horizontal and vertical environments,  fighting enemies hanging from tall buildings."

So? what's demanding about that?

"Destructible objects all around you, even cars will explode if they take enough damage. Environment element can be used to finsh off the enemies."

All simple stuff. car exploding is super easy to do and we see it all the time.

"warping long distance in a matter of a second."

Another thing incredibly easy to do.

"so many things going of at the same time, ridicules amount of weapons and skills that can be used on the fly without pausing "

Like most rpg games.


You clearly have no idea how demanding it is to create a fully interactive environment and dynamic world. The point is, X, which you seem to hold close to your heart, doesn't offer any of that even with much less action going on at the same time as it appears from the footage. 

 

Anyways, I hope XV would be available on every console, the game is going to be a masterpiece.

"much less action""much less action", sounds like a broken record. X shows a HUGE detailed open world and lot's of "action" on many parts.

what you listed was just a bunch of random stuff, situations for the most part. and all more than possible on any modern system, wii u included.



padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

How is any of this at all relevant?

How am I taking sides?

Excuses/Defense are just aspects of Bias.

Your argument is worthless. And since you want to attack my credibility with your ad hominem insults. I will carefully explain to you why your argument is bullshit.

The point of this thread is that Zero is using screenshots as evidence of the game being easily portable to the wii u. It should be obvious why this is invalid. However, considering the game was first developed on the PS3, and then overhauled so that it could only be done on PS4/XB1, its not a strech to say that the Wii U version would be downgraded, the specs alone should make it obvious regardless of what your imaginary "intellgent people would say."

I told Zero that its possible but not without severe downgrades that would make the game worse and that would make the game sell worse as practically every multiplat on the wii u, that didn't start on the wi u, has done so. Because the Wii U version of the game would be the worst despite being the same price we would see further defense of the Wii U by people arguing that it was X companies fault for not porting it to their full potential.

Then you wanted to argue that the 3rd parties are "removing features that were perfectly doable". You claim that "intelligent people" say so. Well why the fuck is that at all relevant. If those "intelligent people" aren't paying for the port to be made, how do they know what was doable, just because the specs say so? That ludicrous.

Then you say that what if people don't want a PS4 but still want a FF game? That argument is absolutely worthless! You have the gall to defend exclusivity because it adds value to a console but then hypocritically argue that its not fair that some one has to buy a PS4 for ffxv.

Just because I'm arguing with you doesn't mean this is a fanboy fight, I'm arguing with you because you are wrong.

 

You use the example Madden to argue how its not techincal limitations, you're completly ignoring all of the other limitations thats held back the wii u's features.

I stopped reading at "How is any of this at all relevant"

Goodbye

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Zero999 said:
VXIII said:

"The fluidity of animations in XV are unmatched, there is soft animation for almost every element like hair and cloth."

if you look at the cgi parts, yes. actual gameplay is normal. check the scene where the blond guy shows up behind noctis to shoot someone.

"Dynamic lightning, real-time weather simulation for the clouds, wind and water."

that's nice but how does it make it impossible on wii u?

"Battles take place in horizontal and vertical environments,  fighting enemies hanging from tall buildings."

So? what's demanding about that?

"Destructible objects all around you, even cars will explode if they take enough damage. Environment element can be used to finsh off the enemies."

All simple stuff. car exploding is super easy to do and we see it all the time.

"warping long distance in a matter of a second."

Another thing incredibly easy to do.

"so many things going of at the same time, ridicules amount of weapons and skills that can be used on the fly without pausing "

Like most rpg games.


You clearly have no idea how demanding it is to create a fully interactive environment and dynamic world. The point is, X, which you seem to hold close to your heart, doesn't offer any of that even with much less action going on at the same time as it appears from the footage. 

 

Anyways, I hope XV would be available on every console, the game is going to be a masterpiece.

"much less action""much less action", sounds like a broken record. X shows a HUGE detailed open world and lot's of "action" on many parts.

what you listed was just a bunch of random stuff, situations for the most part. and all more than possible on any modern system, wii u included.

I'm sure it is.

Look when FFXV and X come out and Iwata and Reggie meet with EA to show them how much money they lost by not having it on the Wii U, then I'm sure EA will apologize as well. Who knows they might even port it.



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padib said:

When people blame 3rd parties for doing a bad job, it's usually by removing features that were perfectly doable. I have no examples on hand, apart from Madden on the U which had players from the prior year. If you ask some other users like maher, they will give you the full rundown.

Another thing is that some people may want to get it on the U instead of on the PS4 in a region like Japan. Why you ask? Because many people are already buying the U for other games. That way, some people who may not be interested in PS4 games but like the FF franchise or just like what they saw in the commercials/trailer may prefer to spend only 40-60$ for the experience rather than ~$450 total.

I think that's the bottom line.

it's not just japan, although it's more visible there. There are many people wanting this game on wii u and everything seems to point that it would do better than the xone version, even without japan.



SubiyaCryolite said:
Zero is the same guy who said this can run on the WiiU with "minor" cutbacks. There's no point guys, just leave him be.

Man, I hate the look of these "realistic" games. So ugly. 

I wish there were more games out there fully composed out of hand made drawings. And I'm not talking about 2D games, but 3D games! Would definitely like to see games like that instead of realistic looking games. 

 

/Off-topic rant. 



orniletter said:
...on the other hand:

We literally don´t know just how open FF XV will be and Nomura´s team reportedly struggled to get it running on the PS 3 .

we do know what kind of open world wii u can handle, with X. and a ps3 comparisson isnt relevant, since wii u is much more capable than ps3.



Samus Aran said:

Man, I hate the look of these "realistic" games. So ugly. 

I wish there were more games out there fully composed out of hand made drawings. And I'm not talking about 2D games, but 3D games! Would definitely like to see games like that instead of realistic looking games. 

 

/Off-topic rant. 


/Off topic response.

Fully 3D and cell shaded :)



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite said:
Samus Aran said:

Man, I hate the look of these "realistic" games. So ugly. 

I wish there were more games out there fully composed out of hand made drawings. And I'm not talking about 2D games, but 3D games! Would definitely like to see games like that instead of realistic looking games. 

 

/Off-topic rant. 


/Off topic response.

Fully 3D and cell shaded :)


Beautiful looking game, some of the animations are a bit stuff though. But it's still a 2d plane. 

I was talking about a game like Bravely Default where you have beatiful handdrawn towns where you can run in. It's a darker style, instead of the very bright Wind Waker cell shaded style(which isn't bad, I just prefer a more darker style).