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S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:

Lol geez give MS some time to actually make use of their new studios. Still find it awesome that only MS is willing to pay and play dirty to secure 3rd party exclusives and timed ones for their consumer and Sony just can't be bothered.

Only MS can get 3rd party exclusives from Crytek, Capcom, and buyout the PS4 version of a 3rd party blockbuster like Titanfall. Sony.....I doubt they have that level of commitment.


If you think EA is going to leave Titanfall exclusive as a franchise, you've got another thing coming. To act like EA doesn't see Sonys sales is a deluded belief.

Never said that and that wasn't the point at all. I commend MS for securing the 1st game, and 3rd party exclusives in general like Ryse and Dead Rising 3. The point I was making was that Sony isn't on that level of 3rd party commitment and MS's effort deserves credit.



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EpicRandy said:
Seems to me that the writer prays more on reader's ignorance than Ms prays on consumers' ignorance.

care to elaborate?



      

      

      

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Machiavellian said:
DD_Bwest said:
All companies prey on ignorance, its a feast to be had. The average joe is a freaking Moron

I have to agree.  You would think the OP woke up yesterday and found out that Marketing preys on ignorance all the time.  Its their duty to provide only info that make what the company is selling sound like the greates thing since the pet rock.


Im glad someone gets it!  Im a huge sony fan boy, but im not gonna ignore that if they had a chance to pull on over on alot of morons with simple PR talk, they will.  Its part of why marketing works so well.



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sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
 

Damn straight. Either way, not my problem as their actions benefitted their consumer and theirs alone. I believe that was the one area where they truly cared on "Sony levels" lol

Difference between Microsoft and Sony is when they lost third party exclusivity they made their own games. Microsoft is STILLL dependent regardless of the parity and they still play dirty. Nothing is safe for any of their gamers. There is a flaw in your feeling of safety.

Lol geez give MS some time to actually make use of their new studios. Still find it awesome that only MS is willing to pay and play dirty to secure 3rd party exclusives and timed ones for their consumer and Sony just can't be bothered.

Only MS can get 3rd party exclusives from Crytek, Capcom, and buyout the PS4 version of a 3rd party blockbuster like Titanfall. Sony.....I doubt they have that level of commitment.

No, its just that Sony/Nintendo/Sega were smart enough to know it is not a sustainable business model. These companies succeeded in convincing developers to go one way or another by simple nogotiations and dialogue before MS came into play. Moneyhatting is one of the worst business practices to happen of late, and I am fairly glad its backfiring on MS now(Devs now asking for more and more to keep exclusive). Bidding wars just lead to you going bankrupt. Neither Nintendo or Sony have the funds to do what MS does, Sony has completely opted not to play by their rules.

This is why with paying little to nothing, Sony still gets all the big games, WITH extra content and better quality sometimes. Even with MS's funds, they can only concentrate on a few games at one time. COD was where most of their money hats went last gen. What Sony does is approach the AAA's MS doesn't think to highly of or just neglects. How did Sony convince all the indies to abandon MS's ship? When MS had their back turned Sony snuck in with the silver tongue and gave them the small assistance they needed to get started. Battlefield for instance, this was the focal point of Sony's partnership with EA. If MS is paying for the competition, that doesn't bode well for the other. This now applies to Destiny vs Titanfall as well. By siding with Sony, Destiny gets more breathing room to captivate audiences, while MS is concentrating only on Titanfall. MS truly cant afford to pay 50million to every big studio with a AAA game, just to keep a game from Sony. Its so bad that the situations are almost definitely finite. MS gets their few exclusive month(s) and Sony still gets the game without shelling out a dime(or very little), all the while enticing more gamers with games that will NEVER be on XBOX as they are 1st Party.



      

      

      

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sales2099 said:

Look. this isn't human rights issues or geopolitical struggles. This is video games and I am in it for my own personal entertainment. If someone misses out, that isn't my problem. If a gaming company goes out of their way to make sure I get the game first and don't have to wait while someone else does have it, then they have my respect.

Here:

Does that make it acceptable?

Aren't you a gamer and a consumer? Shouldn't you worry more about your best intrest? You talk about timed exclusivity for indies that were already avalible on pc as compensation for the truly exclusive ips you should be getting? 1st class treatment? Are you delusional? You've been paying for stuff that all the other people who don't game on Xbox get for free since 2013? With an Optional Premium service out valuing a premium one? You talk about PS3 getting scraps, it is still getting exclusive ips that also aren't avalible on PC, while Xbox makes you pay 60 dollars a year for advertising on a last gen console. 

The sad thing is, you actually believe MS has treated you well. All this talk about innovation when its people like you who are holding the industry back. MS has the resources to out do both Sony and Nintendo, but you will say they shouldn't treat you (the customer) with respect because that would affect their short term profit rather than investing in their consumers and you value MS's buisness more than your own self-worth. 

The OG Xbox, that was a investment. You sycophants can complain that Xbox was bleeding money, but they were doing it because they had a vision and that vision involved treating their customers with respect. When they released the 360, I already knew it was a scam, and when they announced the XB1 I knew it was a scam as well.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villian.

and here:

This is so fucking hilarious, whenever someone exposes Microsoft's shit the fans will try to downplay it by saying it either doesn't matter or Sony or Nintendo does it to, or its what a business would do.
Leave your personal experiences at the door, I don't want to hear your whining and we're only talking about verifiable facts here.
Xbox screws over their customers, so does Nintendo, PS, Google, and Amazon. But the difference is at least those other companies make up for it, because they value the consumer and treat them with respect because of that value. At the very least, they respect their money, Microsoft Xbox can pretty much get away with anything because their consumers either don't know better or don't care.

Now look at the end of the day, games are what matter and if you like xbox because of their games, then I have no issue with you. What I do have an issue with is defending their Bullshit policies and practices. We've got threads about people complaining about GZ's length from people who have been defending Xbox's anticonsumer policies for years.

And I don't give a damn how good anyone's games are, the consumer's matter most, the gaming community matters most.


Where is Family Sharing on MS, steam has it, where is MS Now, I remember when MS "apologized" for DRM i think it was a written letter by their scapegoat Don Mattrick. They crucified him for doing his job, nobody in the team was like "HMMMM, maybe developing are console around a casual peripheral is a bad idea".
Nobody at E3 was like "HMMMM maybe they don't like DRM"

MS Fans LOVE to bring up last gen because they can't deal with the reality of this one, Sony fcked up in when they released the PS3, but at least the realized and turned it around. Now you've got Shu Yoshida responding to tweets and making youtube videos in response to MS's PR and MS is just letting it happen.

If you think MS is gonna make any kind of comeback with these policies, you're dreaming. They only way XB1 will even get close to PS4 is for Xbox to behave better than they did with the OG Xbox, and they are already off to a horrible start.

Fans like you have been ruining gaming since 2006.

Funny how you respect them for throwing their money around, when they don't respect you.



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I sum up the differences pretty simply

Microsoft is always trying to figure out how to get you to spend more money

Sony is always trying to figure out how to make you WANT to spend more money



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DD_Bwest said:
I sum up the differences pretty simply

Microsoft is always trying to figure out how to get you to spend more money

Sony is always trying to figure out how to make you WANT to spend more money

And you dont take offense to the fundemental difference? Or at least see how one is blatantly better for you than the other?



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
DD_Bwest said:
I sum up the differences pretty simply

Microsoft is always trying to figure out how to get you to spend more money

Sony is always trying to figure out how to make you WANT to spend more money

And you dont take offense to the fundemental difference? Or at least see how one is blatantly better for you than the other?

In the end you pick a console that appeals to your own personal tastes the best. 360 excelled in XBLA, online (regardless of paywall), and its flagship exclusives. It may shock you but many felt it appealed to their interests more then a PS3. There is no blatant winner, it depends on the person.

I at least understand the concept of subjectivity where I see many like you that are convinced that the other options are just wrong.



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forevercloud3000 said:
DD_Bwest said:
I sum up the differences pretty simply

Microsoft is always trying to figure out how to get you to spend more money

Sony is always trying to figure out how to make you WANT to spend more money

And you dont take offense to the fundemental difference? Or at least see how one is blatantly better for you than the other?


Take offense?  Im not offended that easily, its their right to run a business the way they want to, as much as its my right to choose my services for whichever reason.

 

I do see how one is blatantly better, and i prefer sony by a wide margin.  But they will still prey on ignorant and try to make as much money as they can.  It would be silly to say that isnt the case.



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

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sales2099 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
DD_Bwest said:
I sum up the differences pretty simply

Microsoft is always trying to figure out how to get you to spend more money

Sony is always trying to figure out how to make you WANT to spend more money

And you dont take offense to the fundemental difference? Or at least see how one is blatantly better for you than the other?

In the end you pick a console that appeals to your own personal tastes the best. 360 excelled in XBLA, online (regardless of paywall), and its flagship exclusives. It may shock you but many felt it appealed to their interests more then a PS3. There is no blatant winner, it depends on the person.

I at least understand the concept of subjectivity where I see many like you that are convinced that the other options are just wrong.

Like I said before.

I can get behind Xboxes games and services. but

thier anti consumer practices are by far the worst and inexcusable. Being a buisness is not justification for treating consumers like cattle. And I've already dealt with Microsoft, I don't purchase there products until I feel that they are worthy of my money.

My issue is with your inane delusion defense of these policies that enables them to do worse. Its like seeing an alchoholic beat his wife, and then she makes excuses for him while buying him another six pack.

Just because Gaming is a hobby, doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken seriously, thats a fallicitous argument. 



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank