| RealGamingExpert said: Didnt read because Gamespot. Sorry. |
Justify your statement!?
I've heard people say VGChartz is shit. IGN is shit (IGNorant or w/e). Polygon is shit. blah blah blah.
| RolStoppable said: This article just reinforces what everyone should already know, that the Wii U won't have a long life. The existence of the QoL platform means that Nintendo has a plan going forward which is more than could be said about the months and years leading up to the Wii U launch. In that sense it's actually a very positive article, not a "Nintendo is doomed" shout. As for entering the crowded health & lifestyle market, people need to think in blue ocean terms. That means a product that creates a new value proposition, thus a comparison with the feature sets of existing products is circumvented. Think Wii; how can Nintendo prevail in the home console market against powerful competitors like Sony and Microsoft, that was the big question before Nintendo unveiled their fifth home console. The Wii created a situation where consumers didn't ask "Wii, PS3 or 360?", but rather "Wii and PS3/360?" or "Wii or nothing". In other words, the Wii couldn't be substituted by any other product. The QoL platform must fall into the same category; and if it does, it won't matter what other companies provide. |
Woah, a sober response from Rol.
You growing up there over there in Austria or what?
| Rogerioandrade said: Tsc Tsc.... this is tottally nonsense. Nintendo knows very well, as everyone should know by now, that the videogame console business is shrinking and will dissapear in some years, they´re just trying to find new business models to work on, like they have been doing for more than 100 years. Still, they won´t ignore the game market with their huge IPs and will continue to support consoles as long as there´s an audience for them Gamespot must be really in desperate need of clicks - this is what every videogame website do when they´re losing attention and audience: publish a controversial article about Nintendo problems - as if Sony (Vita, anyone?) and MS (XboxOne sales) were not facing problems too in their videogame divisions and as if many studios and developers were not closing doors in the last 3 years. Besides, no one still knows what exactely what the "Quality of Life" business model means, so anything said and written about that is just mere guessing speculation. |
Just because Wii U ain't selling well doesn't mean that consoles are dying. Look at PS4 sales, its breaking records. The console market won't disappear in some years. Its just your wish that it did cause your favourite console maker is incompetent.
Moderated,
-Mr Khan
The author writes an entire article on something they know nothing about.
They also lie when they say the GameCube was a distant third behind Xbox and PS2. GameCube was never a distant thirtheir was fighting with Xbox over a distant 2nd.
In addition, selling the Wii U without the Gamepad (presumably with a Wiimote instead) would be stupider than selling the N64 with an SNES controller instead. It just doesn't work that way considering that the software and OS is dependent on the Gamepad interface.
I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.
| Jumpin said: The author writes an entire article on something they know nothing about. In addition, selling the Wii U without the Gamepad (presumably with a Wiimote instead) would be stupider than selling the N64 with an SNES controller instead. It just doesn't work that way considering that the software and OS is dependent on the Gamepad interface. |
You make a good point. The Xbox outsold the Gamecube 24 million to 22 million, that's not a distant third.
RolStoppable said:
Those are the consequences of truth through repetition. The general consensus in the video game world is that the Xbox was a success and the GC a failure. |
You know as well as I do that the general consensus is BS. The GC was profitable. The Xbox was one of the worst financial disasters in gaming history. What was the final tally on that systems losses? 6 or 7 Billion dollars?
Darc Requiem said:
You know as well as I do that the general consensus is BS. The GC was profitable. The Xbox was one of the worst financial disasters in gaming history. What was the final tally on that systems losses? 6 or 7 Billion dollars? |
That's the fun of it. In hindsight, their losses didn't matter: edging out Nintendo was all that was important, and now that's fixed in the public consciousness that GameCube was the also-ran and the 6th generation was some kind of epic battle between Sony and Microsoft, when really it's just Sony's runaway success and Nintendo and Microsoft scraping for scraps.
Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
| RolStoppable said: This article just reinforces what everyone should already know, that the Wii U won't have a long life. The existence of the QoL platform means that Nintendo has a plan going forward which is more than could be said about the months and years leading up to the Wii U launch. In that sense it's actually a very positive article, not a "Nintendo is doomed" shout. As for entering the crowded health & lifestyle market, people need to think in blue ocean terms. That means a product that creates a new value proposition, thus a comparison with the feature sets of existing products is circumvented. Think Wii; how can Nintendo prevail in the home console market against powerful competitors like Sony and Microsoft, that was the big question before Nintendo unveiled their fifth home console. The Wii created a situation where consumers didn't ask "Wii, PS3 or 360?", but rather "Wii and PS3/360?" or "Wii or nothing". In other words, the Wii couldn't be substituted by any other product. The QoL platform must fall into the same category; and if it does, it won't matter what other companies provide. |
Except the 360/PS3 were really not trying to directly get casual gamers at first. Hence Nintendo's effort stood out 100x more. Sony and MS were making a product for teenagers, Nintendo went a made one for soccer moms/non-gamers, the difference was fairly clear cut.
Problem is there are many, many (maaaany) products that specifically target women/adults/moms/dads/grandpas for fitness/health/etc. and its becoming intergrated into devices like smartphones already ... ie: the new Galaxy S5 has a heart rate monitor and full fitness apps built in. Apple is also readying a huge push into this field.
So your Wii analogy doesn't really work there at all, it would be like the Wii coming into the market with 3 or 4 other motion gaming systems already available.
My guess is Nintendo's play here to push for senior citizens, especially those in Japan as it's a big market. Japan spends more on diapers for seniors than they do on babies. Miyamoto is now 60+ too so he probably has interest in making "entertainment" for this crowd.
They can't compete head on in the fitness marketplace, they will get their lunch handed to them ... the senior citizen market ... that might work better for them.
Game_God said:
You must be joking, because the other option, that is you are being serious shows that you don't have the sligthest clue about Nintendo, not being rude, just stating the obvious! |
I would love to see another Nintendo console, one that actually has competent specs like the SNES or N64 did for their day ... but really what I want (or what you want) doesn't mean sh*t. The business model for a Nintendo console barring a Wiimote like gimmick craze just doesn't work.
You can't expect them to keep releasing increasingly more powerful consoles for an increasingly shrinking audience ... remove the Wii craze and Nintendo's console marketshare shrinks every generation.
Lower userbase + higher dev costs at the same time ... is just a formula that Nintendo won't accept for much longer IMO.
You can't keep making consoles just because 15 million Mario/Zelda fans say so, that's not nearly enough of an audience to justify the huge investment that launching a home console platform requires nowadays.
Ucell said:
Just because Wii U ain't selling well doesn't mean that consoles are dying. Look at PS4 sales, its breaking records. The console market won't disappear in some years. Its just your wish that it did cause your favourite console maker is incompetent. Moderated, -Mr Khan |
Man, the overall consoles sales have been down year--to-year for seven years in a row right now, and there´s no sight that this tendency will stop soon. The numbers speak for themselves.
The new generation is failing in bringing new consumers to the market. Not even the PS4 is succeding in doing this. There´s a whole new generation of gamers growing up with tablet, smartphone and PC gaming and ignoring consoles. Those are the devices that are actually making with games what consoles couldn´t: bring them mainstream, accessible and interesting to all audiences. Consoles are becoming niche again but with a much smaller audience than last generation, an audience unable to keep the market afloating as it is.
I hope that the console market may find a point of stability in the future, but that only will happen if companies change, once and for all, this stupid AAA paradigm.
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