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Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

Wrong on both.

Nintendo is paying for exclusivity, there is no "releasing on others" option.

Third parties don't release on wii u because are stupid or maybe are getting money from sony or MS for that.

Seriously Zero? Go look at the sales for 3rd party titles on WiiU and give me one good reason they should continue to develop for a platform with no viable returns. If WiiU owners don't buy 3rd party games, then they're not going to get 3rd party games. Publishers aren't avoiding the WiiU because they're "stupid" or because they hate Nintendo, it's simply a smarter business option to focus on the platforms where they generate more revenue. Most publishers gave the WiiU a chance last year, yet it completely backfired. COD Ghosts' sales on WiiU only accounted for 0.3% of the total revenue. Not even one percent of sales from that game came from the WiiU.

Stop blaming 3rd parties for not putting games on WiiU. Blame the WiiU owners for not buying games when they get it. 

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

NO, most punlishers didn't give a chance last year.

EVEN half assed versions without marketing made a profit.

you also ignore the titles that sell on par or better than the other versions.

You're basically cherrypicking and distorting things.



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Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

Wrong on both.

Nintendo is paying for exclusivity, there is no "releasing on others" option.

Third parties don't release on wii u because are stupid or maybe are getting money from sony or MS for that.

Seriously Zero? Go look at the sales for 3rd party titles on WiiU and give me one good reason they should continue to develop for a platform with no viable returns. If WiiU owners don't buy 3rd party games, then they're not going to get 3rd party games. Publishers aren't avoiding the WiiU because they're "stupid" or because they hate Nintendo, it's simply a smarter business option to focus on the platforms where they generate more revenue. Most publishers gave the WiiU a chance last year, yet it completely backfired. COD Ghosts' sales on WiiU only accounted for 0.3% of the total revenue. Not even one percent of sales from that game came from the WiiU.

Stop blaming 3rd parties for not putting games on WiiU. Blame the WiiU owners for not buying games when they get it. 

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

Please tell me which part isn't true. Are 3rd party games selling great on WiiU? Is VGC undertacking WiiU games by several million units? Did Activision lie in their financial reports about WiiU numbers? I suppose so. 



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Mr Khan said:
Fusioncode said:
curl-6 said:
Fusioncode said:
curl-6 said:
Fusioncode said:

Seriously Zero? Go look at the sales for 3rd party titles on WiiU and give me one good reason they should continue to develop for a platform with no viable returns. 

If there were no viable returns on games like Black Ops 2, Assassin's Creed 3, and Arkham City, then Ghosts, Assassin's Creed 4, and Arkham Origins wouldn't have come to Wii U.

Yet Arkam Origins isn't getting DLC on WiiU, and Watch Dogs is getting delayed. Destiny, Thief, Kingdom Hearts III, Evolve, FFXV, and Elder Scrolls Online aren't coming to the platform at all. Publishers may have ignored the poor sales of Black Ops 2, AC3, and Arkham City since they launched later than the other versions. The same excuse can't be used for their successors in 2012.  Clearly publishers aren't happy with the sales of their previous efforts on the console. 

DLC is another matter, because only a portion of a user base will buy it.

If they didn't turn a profit, the Wii U versions of Origins/Ghosts/Black Flag would have been canned.

Once again, the poor sales of those ports could have been attributed to the fact the WiiU games launched later than the other versions. They gave the WiiU another chance in 2013, and I doubt that payed off. Ubisoft would not have delayed Watch Dogs on WiiU if AC4 had performed to their expectations. 



They could very well have if it was an issue of limited resources. Somebody had to get delayed, it seems.

It showed that WiiU version was low priority compared to every other console.If they really cared about it then they would have hired more people to get the WiiU version finished on time with the others. 



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Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

Wrong on both.

Nintendo is paying for exclusivity, there is no "releasing on others" option.

Third parties don't release on wii u because are stupid or maybe are getting money from sony or MS for that.

Seriously Zero? Go look at the sales for 3rd party titles on WiiU and give me one good reason they should continue to develop for a platform with no viable returns. If WiiU owners don't buy 3rd party games, then they're not going to get 3rd party games. Publishers aren't avoiding the WiiU because they're "stupid" or because they hate Nintendo, it's simply a smarter business option to focus on the platforms where they generate more revenue. Most publishers gave the WiiU a chance last year, yet it completely backfired. COD Ghosts' sales on WiiU only accounted for 0.3% of the total revenue. Not even one percent of sales from that game came from the WiiU.

Stop blaming 3rd parties for not putting games on WiiU. Blame the WiiU owners for not buying games when they get it. 

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

Please tell me which part isn't true. Are 3rd party games selling great on WiiU? Is VGC undertacking WiiU games by several million units? Did Activision lie in their financial reports about WiiU numbers? I suppose so. 

I already edited to explain. not that it's gonna change what we both know.



Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

Wrong on both.

Nintendo is paying for exclusivity, there is no "releasing on others" option.

Third parties don't release on wii u because are stupid or maybe are getting money from sony or MS for that.

Seriously Zero? Go look at the sales for 3rd party titles on WiiU and give me one good reason they should continue to develop for a platform with no viable returns. If WiiU owners don't buy 3rd party games, then they're not going to get 3rd party games. Publishers aren't avoiding the WiiU because they're "stupid" or because they hate Nintendo, it's simply a smarter business option to focus on the platforms where they generate more revenue. Most publishers gave the WiiU a chance last year, yet it completely backfired. COD Ghosts' sales on WiiU only accounted for 0.3% of the total revenue. Not even one percent of sales from that game came from the WiiU.

Stop blaming 3rd parties for not putting games on WiiU. Blame the WiiU owners for not buying games when they get it. 

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

NO, most punlishers didn't give a chance last year.

Games like AC4, COD Ghosts, and Arkham Origins all released at the same time as other competitors. How is this not giving WiiU a chance?

EVEN half assed versions without marketing made a profit.

How do you know they made a profit? The fact that publishers are avoiding the WiiU more and more tells me they're not making much money off the console. And why are you complaining about marketing. If Nintendo wants 3rd party publishers to market their games for WiiU then they need to make a deal for it. Like Sony did with Assassins Creed 4, or Microsoft with Call of Duty. Once again you're blaming everybody BUT Nintendo. 

you also ignore the titles that sell on par or better than the other versions.

Which ones? Rayman Legends did better than the 360 version but still did worse than the PS3 one, which is astounding considering it was originally a WiiU exclusive. A majority of 3rd party games sell better on other platforms, I'm not sure why you can't accept this, it's common sense. Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions. Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. 

You're basically cherrypicking and distorting things.

Well I can't say you're cherrypicking considering you haven't actually shown me a single piece of evidence supporting your claims. 



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Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
 

Which ones? Rayman Legends did better than the 360 version but still did worse than the PS3 one, which is astounding considering it was originally a WiiU exclusive. A majority of 3rd party games sell better on other platforms, I'm not sure why you can't accept this, it's common sense. Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions. Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. 

Actually according to Ubisoft themselves, Rayman Legends did best on the Wii-U, though that may have changed later on (game didn't sell well in general).



Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

NO, most punlishers didn't give a chance last year.

Games like AC4, COD Ghosts, and Arkham Origins all released at the same time as other competitors. How is this not giving WiiU a chance?

EVEN half assed versions without marketing made a profit.

How do you know they made a profit? The fact that publishers are avoiding the WiiU more and more tells me they're not making much money off the console. And why are you complaining about marketing. If Nintendo wants 3rd party publishers to market their games for WiiU then they need to make a deal for it. Like Sony did with Assassins Creed 4, or Microsoft with Call of Duty. Once again you're blaming everybody BUT Nintendo. 

you also ignore the titles that sell on par or better than the other versions.

Which ones? Rayman Legends did better than the 360 version but still did worse than the PS3 one, which is astounding considering it was originally a WiiU exclusive. A majority of 3rd party games sell better on other platforms, I'm not sure why you can't accept this, it's common sense. Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions. Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. 

You're basically cherrypicking and distorting things.

Well I can't say you're cherrypicking considering you haven't actually shown me a single piece of evidence supporting your claims. 

a few companies =/= most publishers.

we know they're profiting considreing the number of units sold and what costs to port the games.

what a horrible try to downplay rayman. astounding to sell VERY SLIGHTLY less than the ps3 version and it's 13x+ bigger base? the game released as a multiplat. if it was "originally an exclusive" by releasing in february, it would have sold even more though.

"Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions." AGAIN, don't try to change the subject. it is absolutely irrelevant what a game sells on other consoles since we are talking about profits from wii u versions.

"Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. " they better sell best on those consoles, 80m+ installed base, remember? and it's only natural that other kid friendly games, like battlefield and cor ghosts, will also sell much more on ps360.

In the end it's the same talk all over the place. third party multis are profiting on wii u even with all the half assing in content and/or marketing.



Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
Zero999 said:

we both know that's not true, so why do you insist?

NO, most punlishers didn't give a chance last year.

Games like AC4, COD Ghosts, and Arkham Origins all released at the same time as other competitors. How is this not giving WiiU a chance?

EVEN half assed versions without marketing made a profit.

How do you know they made a profit? The fact that publishers are avoiding the WiiU more and more tells me they're not making much money off the console. And why are you complaining about marketing. If Nintendo wants 3rd party publishers to market their games for WiiU then they need to make a deal for it. Like Sony did with Assassins Creed 4, or Microsoft with Call of Duty. Once again you're blaming everybody BUT Nintendo. 

you also ignore the titles that sell on par or better than the other versions.

Which ones? Rayman Legends did better than the 360 version but still did worse than the PS3 one, which is astounding considering it was originally a WiiU exclusive. A majority of 3rd party games sell better on other platforms, I'm not sure why you can't accept this, it's common sense. Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions. Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. 

You're basically cherrypicking and distorting things.

Well I can't say you're cherrypicking considering you haven't actually shown me a single piece of evidence supporting your claims. 

a few companies =/= most publishers.

Ubisoft, Activision, and Warner Bros are pretty much the only ones giing the system a chance. Who else should I use?

we know they're profiting considreing the number of units sold and what costs to port the games.

We don't know that, you're just making things up. 

what a horrible try to downplay rayman. astounding to sell VERY SLIGHTLY less than the ps3 version and it's 13x+ bigger base? the game released as a multiplat. if it was "originally an exclusive" by releasing in february, it would have sold even more though.

Okay congrats, a game that sold terribly on EVERY console did better on the WiiU than 360. I'm sure Nintendo is very proud of that accomplishment. 

"Look at the WiiU sales for pretty much any major 3rd party release in 2013 and compare it to the other versions." AGAIN, don't try to change the subject. it is absolutely irrelevant what a game sells on other consoles since we are talking about profits from wii u versions.

What do you mean irrelevant? Have you ever heard of oppurtunity cost? Why would publishers waste time and money working on a platform that might net them 100k-200k in sales, when they can work on platforms where there games sell millions?

"Even kid friendly games like Skylanders Swap Force did far better on the PS3/360. " they better sell best on those consoles, 80m+ installed base, remember? and it's only natural that other kid friendly games, like battlefield and cor ghosts, will also sell much more on ps360.

I'm not having this install base argument with you again. I already proved you wrong multiple times and yet you always ignored all my points. 

In the end it's the same talk all over the place. third party multis are profiting on wii u even with all the half assing in content and/or marketing.

Once again, blame Nintendo for the lack of marketing. And waht do you mean half assed content? What was so bad about AC4 or Akrham Origins? At least before they canceled the DLC for the WiiU. Oh and now the new Arkham game isn't coming to WiiU. Interesting, if they had profited off Origins, why wouldn't they bring this over?





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Bayonetta 2 threads never fail to ammuse.
Lets hope the game is this amusing.



Well I actually have a Wii U so... but honestly its sales that I think will show this game was not meant only for the Wii U console.