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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 27 February 2014

Competition can be negative to consumers in subtle an indirect ways:
To much choice can be a bad thing, decreasing overall quality (NA Gaming Crash)
Product Differentiation can weaken, resulting in confusion.
Consumer Biases can be more easily exploited, such as the relation between price and value
Competition can force companies to make irrational decisions, which can lead to self-destruction and market failure.
Information Overload and Lack of Information.

Generally speaking the positives outweigh the negatives, but American culture ingrains the belief that competition is 100% Good when its really only like 75% good.

As for the Debate about MS, I think that MS needs to stop being so greedy and focus on improving the gaming industry rather than turning it into mainstream entertainment. The OG Xbox was a step in the right direction.

Also IMO, Competiton with Xbox resulted in the PS3 more than Sony's Hubris, it was just the hubris that everyone reacted too.



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NightDragon83 on 27 February 2014
only777 said:
cannonballZ said:

Anyway back on topic: I disagree. Competition is better for the gamers.

I think I've condenced my point quite well now.

"I want better games, not the same old shit every year.  For all three to do well, and graphics to be as high as they are costs will stay sky high.  high costs mean publishers will only throw money at low risk IP's like COD and Battlefield.  With everyone using one system, costs come down and we get better games."

That's the statment I want people to pick holes in.

"With everyone using one system, costs come down and we get better games."

The Obama administration should hire you to be the manager for its healthcare propaganda, er, I mean PR campaign lol.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

ironmanDX on 27 February 2014
pezus said:
enrageorange said:

 

Look at the freaking state of the ps4. It is a disgrace. 

Eh, what?

 

 

It's selling so well, it's a disgrace on peoples finances...... Obviously!

 

Don't worry my Orange friend. I feel ya! 



Bruxel on 27 February 2014
only777 said:
Bruxel said:
I want all three to do well.

I want better games, not the same old shit every year.  For all three to do well, and graphics to be as high as they are costs will stay sky high.  high costs mean publishers will only throw money at low risk IP's.  With everyone using one system, costs come down and we get better games.

Bruxel said:

saying Nintendo is irrelevant is mind blowing. You underestimate the power of nintendo first party software.

I said I liked Nintendo, but if their games are so good, why are people buying COD and not Mario?


Mario galaxy series on Wii sold about 18, 20 mil?
Mario 3d land sold i beleive 9 mil.
Mario kart wii 34 mil
NSMBU 2, 7 mil

to name a few, pretty good for a title dedicated to that one certain platform. Mario 3d world is almost 2 mil and NSMBU sold almost 4 mil.



 

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MyCodenameIsIan on 27 February 2014

Don't Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony invest significantly in first party development? Competition drives innovation.

Without competition there would be no drive to push hardware limits and continue to r&d more advanced consoles.
Without Sony we wouldn't be playing games from CD's, which led to DVD and Blu-Ray.
Without Sega we wouldn't have the Dreamcast controller, which evolved into the Xbox controller which in turn Sony took many design cues from for the DS4.
Without Microsoft we wouldn't have Xbox Live, which in turn spawned the Playstation Network.
Without Microsoft we wouldn't have Xbox Live Arcade which paved the way for indies/small scale console development.
Without Nintendo we wouldn't Motion Controls or the Wii, which spawned Kinect & Playstation Move. (OK perhaps we could have done without it)
Without Microsoft we wouldn't have the multi-media features/apps found in the X1 and PS4.
Without Sony we wouldn't have Instant Game Collection which spawned Games With Gold.




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cannonballZ on 27 February 2014
only777 said:
cannonballZ said:

Anyway back on topic: I disagree. Competition is better for the gamers.

I think I've condenced my point quite well now.

"I want better games, not the same old shit every year.  For all three to do well, and graphics to be as high as they are costs will stay sky high.  high costs mean publishers will only throw money at low risk IP's like COD and Battlefield.  With everyone using one system, costs come down and we get better games."

That's the statment I want people to pick holes in.


Well, to be honest I think this generation will deliver on new experiences. Still early in the  race and I read something about ps4 vr headsets to be shown possibly at e3! I am very excited for what Sony will bring to the table this gen.

Also, hopefully Nintendo will step their game up with some new ip's or do some very interesting collaborations. Desperate Nintendo is the best Nintendo! 

And I'm sure MS is cooking something up to make Xbox One more appealing. I think they will try harder with fresh new ip's this gen also.



Frogger on 27 February 2014

I seriously did not buy enough pop corn today.



Moren on 27 February 2014

Sony leaving the console race is good for gamers.

 

Wait, what?!

Yes, I believe that a three console race ends up being bad for gamers, and that it would be best for everyone if Sony would leave.

Why?

Right now console gamers are split across two systems, Xbox and PlayStation.  If this was just Xbox, then studios could take bigger risks with new ideas and new IP's when everyone is all using the same hardware to play on (i.e it lowers costs at the studios end).

But what about Nintendo?

As much as I love 'em let's be honest, Nintendo have had no real presence in the home console market since the N64.  Sure Wii sold a lot of units, but mainly to people who bought it as a one off to play Wii Sports (i.e, your nan), and now those people have moved on to Candy Crush.  However, Microsoft should have some competition so they don't have a total monoply plus there are enough gamers who will buy two systems as well as die hard Nintendo fans to keep them in the market with a profitable but outside share.

Say that again.

I think a Future where MS dominates, Sony leave and Nintendo are a profitable minority is best for everyone.  Studios can take bigger risks as pretty much everyone has the same machine, so as gamers we probably end up with a better selection of games.  Although if this ever did happen I very much doubt Nintendo would actually survive, but I would like to see them contine as they do add a lot of gameplay inovations.  However I think not only have the people spoken, but Sony do make better consoles then anyone else.

But by this logic, wouldn't it be better if it was only Nintnedo?

Probaby, but let's be at least a little bit realistic here.  Nintendo is out of the console race, and gamers haven't accepted them since 1996.  The console wars are going to claim another brand in this generation and it is not going to be Xbox.  Out of Xbox and Nintendo, I wouldn't miss PlayStation.

............

Spot the difference? Why Microsoft and not Sony?

Not that I agree. This is ludicrous.



gergroy on 27 February 2014
prayformojo said:
Leadified said:
prayformojo said:

This is all my opinion, mind you, but I remember saying all the way back in 2000 that the Xbox would destroy gaming and now, I feel....pretty vindicated.

DLC,dude bros, online passes, games shipped in beta, studio closing shop left and right, nothing but shooting/killing games, decline of Japanese titles, online subscriptions....yeah, MS really did the industry great. I totally enjoy the gaming industry in 2014 so much more than 1999.

Totally.

Bold: How is this the Xbox's fault?


I remember the industry before and after. Before MS joined the party, the biggest games on the planet were mostly Japanese games. After? Not so much. MS changed gaming into a dude bro, no scope, Halo,GOW,COD shit fest. Instead of MGS and DMC, we're fed COD, Halo, Titanfall...it never ends. Japanese games don't sell like they use to and it's because of MS impact on the industry imo. I watched the sea change. It happened.


If you want to blame somebody for the popularity of shooters today, then you should blame nintendo.  They are the ones that made console shooters popular with goldeneye and perfect dark.

personally, i think your blame is misplaced.  But I also doubt i could convince you otherwise, so believe what you will.



JazzB1987 on 27 February 2014

1.By that logic it goes like this:
If sony never made its own system poor jrpg gamers would never have been forced to buy a Sony system. More gamers would be on Nintendo and Sega. Sony basically split the 2 console community into 3 parts. Then sega died because of Sony and just because MS didnt want Sony to dominate living rooms they entered. Without Sony everything would be better ;)

So I agree sell Playstation and Xbox to Nintendo (the one who saved all and rebooted the gaming industry)


2. not really a presence?
I highly doubt that PS and Xbox sell to gamers. I mean there is a reason why COD devs say their userbase does not consist of gamers at all its just people that play COD and Fifa. And why do PS and Xbox need stuff like media blah blah. Sure they have gamers but most people are not gamers.

3. I dont think so.

4. See 2. What are gamers? For me gamers are NOT people that want CG movies on a CD(that now look like shit anyways)
but people that want no loading times so the immersion does not get destroyed which was only possible on a cartridge.
It is mainstreamers that dont accept Nintendo and I am happy about that. Noone needs them. (even the movie industy produces shit like G.I.Joe just for them..... and mainstream shit like E.T on home computers is the reason why the gaming industry almost died. history needs to repeat itself a little fast IMO.