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Does Wii U still have a chance to outsell PS4?

Yes 232 22.61%
 
No 792 77.19%
 
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FlamingWeazel said:
HylianSwordsman said:
FlamingWeazel said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Nothing's impossible. Right now PS4 is doing as well as it is because it's a good price for the hardware you get, and has plenty of 3rd party support, but if it can't keep up with 1st party software, eventually it'll run out of steam, just like the Wii did. The Wii U, which honestly is starting to do okay with 1st party, could take off decently if it can gain traction with 3rd party support. It can get 2nd place easily with enough quality 1st party, but to get 1st, it will depend if they can gain at least a little bit of 3rd party, and keep the 1st party going longer and better than Sony, which I can see happening. Sony isn't exactly rolling in dough to invest, while Nintendo is. I mean I wouldn't bet on it, but it's not an absurd notion.

Sony has already invested in 1st party studios, sure they aren't as acclaimed as Nintendo. But since 3rd parties dominated the market last gen, PS3's 1st parties set it apart.

From the Xbox 360 yes. And that's all they needed to do. Hence why PS3 has gradually caught up and overtaken 360. However, Microsoft has also invested in 1st party this gen, much more so than Sony. Sony needs to step up their game with 1st party. For the first time in history, Microsoft actually has a 1st party advantage over Sony. And they look like they're going to keep it well into 2015 at the least. Sony has a few things, but nothing that outdoes Microsoft. If Microsoft can gain traction once it gets more 1st parties, it'll steal market share more from Sony than from Nintendo. Which would leave the race much, much closer if Nintendo can gain some traction as well. But hey, wouldn't a close race be much more fun to watch than a Wii or PS2 style domination race? I for one hope it turns out that way, just for the fun of watching it. Otherwise I don't care that much. I get all the games I want either way, I just come here because for some reason I find watching charts to be really interesting.


Total BS. Sony had Japan and Europe that's why they caught up, 2 territories MS don't have to fall back on... MS does not have a first party advantage period. Their studios don't come close to the quality releases Sony's do. MS again is relying on third party deals, doesn't work.


I'll be perfectly honest with you sir, I don't like Microsoft. I do like Sony. I will get a PS4 eventually. I doubt I'll ever own an Xbone unless someone gives me one. I'm not trying to defend Microsoft here. I just don't share your optimism. Sony CAN do better quality 1st party, but thus far for 8th gen, Microsoft is winning there. At risk of angering Microsoft fanboys, I'll admit I don't like that one bit. But that's how I feel, and how a lot of people feel. Sony is winning because of a kickass price for better hardware, not because of software. And while that'll give them the strongest start, it won't win them the war.


?? No they are not, please. Grossly overrating launch games, sony has not even announced what their biggest studios are working on, we already know more about ps4 exclusives in 2014 then we do MS, and MS has a huige drought after titanfall, sony has drive club, the show, deep down coming before the fall. The the order, and possibly uncharted. Games don't stop at launch, and sony's studios have a history od top notch games way more then MS does.


Well I hope you're right.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

PS3


Your point? PS3 started off poorly because it was expensive and had no games. They improved both of those, and eventually it sold.


His point was Sony is and was out still supporting ps3, while ms abandoned 360 long ago. look at ps3 2013 and ms 2013, it wasn't even a contest. Based off the game libraries the ps1,2, and 3 had, it's laughable to think the ps4 library won't be superb. 



HylianSwordsman said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

PS3


Your point? PS3 started off poorly because it was expensive and had no games. They improved both of those, and eventually it sold.

The Playstation 3 was in an objectively worse position than the Xbox 1, by a Company whose Assets are dwarfed by Microsofts. Sony's exclusives and studios pulled it up to tie the 360 which had a 1 year lead. Unless it has suddenly lost the capability to do what it did last generation there is no reason to think other wise. Playstation != Xbox and they are not interchangeable. Playstation also owns alot more ips and studios then Microsoft, so unless you started gaming in November, there is no reason to think Xbox will have more exclusives.

Ryse | MS IP by Crytek (3rd party)

DR3 | MS IP by Capcom (3rd party)

Forza | Ms Franchise (2nd Party)

KI | Idk but its outsourced too

Also the whole "no games" is not only a worthless argument but its blantant fanboyism. Every console has had games at launch. News Flash: Even Knack has a fanbase (even though is widely considered as a poor launch exclusive. Don't bother using it.



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I think it would take a miracle for Wii U to outsell the N64 at this point. PS4 is going well above 50 million+ at minimum.

I also think Mario Kart Wii's sales were inflated a lot by the Wii Sports casual audience. NSMB as well ... and we've seen on Wii U, NSMBU couldn't cut the mustard as far as driving hardware sales to a satisfactory level.

Mario Kart 8 will do well, but it will also likely even out again to N64/GCN like levels, the casual crowd isn't paying $300 to play that again when there is no new craze/fad/hook on the Wii U. Most of them don't even know the Wii U is new system, lol, and even less want a new console period.

The people who want a new console are very clearly core/hardcore gamers, Sony was smart in realizing that and making a console tailored to that audience. Nintendo just misread the tea leaves entirely.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

PS3


Your point? PS3 started off poorly because it was expensive and had no games. They improved both of those, and eventually it sold.

The Playstation 3 was in an objectively worse position than the Xbox 1, by a Company whose Assets are dwarfed by Microsofts. Sony's exclusives and studios pulled it up to tie the 360 which had a 1 year lead. Unless it has suddenly lost the capability to do what it did last generation there is no reason to think other wise. Playstation != Xbox and they are not interchangeable. Playstation also owns alot more ips and studios then Microsoft, so unless you started gaming in November, there is no reason to think Xbox will have more exclusives.

Ryse | MS IP by Crytek (3rd party)

DR3 | MS IP by Capcom (3rd party)

Forza | Ms Franchise (2nd Party)

KI | Idk but its outsourced too

Also the whole "no games" is not only a worthless argument but its blantant fanboyism. Every console has had games at launch. News Flash: Even Knack has a fanbase (even though is widely considered as a poor launch exclusive. Don't bother using it.


It is not blatent fanboyism. Wii U had no games in the beginning too. It's just an exaggeration. But whatever, you're clearly a Sony fanboy yourself, so you've no room to talk. Look, I like Sony, you don't need to defend them from me. I'm just not an optimist.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if it's an MS IP, it's 1st party. Nintendo has outsourced Zelda and Mario before. Does that mean that Minish Cap, Luigi's Mansion 2, Ocarina of Time 3D, and the like are 3rd party? Of course not. Sony outsources a lot too. You're just twisting the words to support your argument.



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no. just no wiiu is a 20-30M lifetime console ps4 is at 5M in 5 months

once the ps4 passes it globally next week its over it will never get the lead back i'll bet anything on it then xb1 will set its sights on it

even the xb1 has no shot b/c it can only really just combat with us and uk which as of now is behind week in and week out even if it starts selling better it will only be in those regions and will only be equal or slightly ahead in just those two regions thats not enough



                                                             

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It is not blatent fanboyism. Wii U had no games in the beginning too. It's just an exaggeration. But whatever, you're clearly a Sony fanboy yourself, so you've no room to talk. Look, I like Sony, you don't need to defend them from me. I'm just not an optimist.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if it's an MS IP, it's 1st party. Nintendo has outsourced Zelda and Mario before. Does that mean that Minish Cap, Luigi's Mansion 2, Ocarina of Time 3D, and the like are 3rd party? Of course not. Sony outsources a lot too. You're just twisting the words to support your argument.

I'm not defending Sony, I'm correcting you

To suggest Sony, wouldn't do what they did in the previous generation with the new console is baseless, and every console has games on launch. You can't just ignore them because you don't like them. That's an insult to both the developer and the fanbase.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

It is not blatent fanboyism. Wii U had no games in the beginning too. It's just an exaggeration. But whatever, you're clearly a Sony fanboy yourself, so you've no room to talk. Look, I like Sony, you don't need to defend them from me. I'm just not an optimist.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if it's an MS IP, it's 1st party. Nintendo has outsourced Zelda and Mario before. Does that mean that Minish Cap, Luigi's Mansion 2, Ocarina of Time 3D, and the like are 3rd party? Of course not. Sony outsources a lot too. You're just twisting the words to support your argument.

I'm not defending Sony, I'm correcting you

To suggest Sony, wouldn't do what they did in the previous generation with the new console is baseless, and every console has games on launch. You can't just ignore them because you don't like them. That's an insult to both the developer and the fanbase.

I DO like them. But you obviously aren't listening to me.



As I like Nintendo, and loved N64 and GC, I would say no chance on earth.   PS4 is outselling WiiU right now as global hardware sold, and it will never look back.



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No. Not even with those games