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Ljink96 on 22 February 2014

I hope something saves it because it's beginning to look a lot like Wii-U... consoles in every store.



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MoHasanie on 22 February 2014
Salnax said:
On one hand, I think that Halo hit its high point 2007. Halo 4 sold quite a bit less than 3 and Reach, despite 2 outselling the original. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 5 only sold about 7 million copies lifetime, less than any main game since the original.

That said, does the One need saving? Halo will definately help the system, Titanfall can be a killer app, and we are still waiting for the first real round of "casual" Kinect games that are almost certain to be in the works. These ought to keep the One at healthy levels. Not to mention the console is still yet to be released in much of the world. North America might be the core of Xboxland, but 35 million 360's were sold elsewhere.

I personally expect the Xbone to reach stable and healthy levels around the release of Titanfall, in less than a month.

Yes but Halo 4 sold faster than both 3 and Reach. In the same period of time, Halo 4 sold the most. So the franshise isn't showing any signs of decline. 



    

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Kongfucius on 22 February 2014
MoHasanie said:
Salnax said:
On one hand, I think that Halo hit its high point 2007. Halo 4 sold quite a bit less than 3 and Reach, despite 2 outselling the original. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 5 only sold about 7 million copies lifetime, less than any main game since the original.

That said, does the One need saving? Halo will definately help the system, Titanfall can be a killer app, and we are still waiting for the first real round of "casual" Kinect games that are almost certain to be in the works. These ought to keep the One at healthy levels. Not to mention the console is still yet to be released in much of the world. North America might be the core of Xboxland, but 35 million 360's were sold elsewhere.

I personally expect the Xbone to reach stable and healthy levels around the release of Titanfall, in less than a month.

Yes but Halo 4 sold faster than both 3 and Reach. In the same period of time, Halo 4 sold the most. So the franshise isn't showing any signs of decline. 


Perhaps, but the critical reception wasn't quite as hot as for previous titles and that often only shows its full effects on later titles - Final Fantasy XIII is an excellent example - it sold over 7.1m units despite being sternly criticised, making it the 4th best selling entry in the series, which seems very strong, but FFXIII-2 had done only 3.2m and LR:FFXIII looks like it'll do even worse

A good illustration of how not all was well with Halo 4 is in the multiplayer player counts which declined quickly, a big problem in an AAA FPS where MP is a large part of the appeal for many people. This GAF thread explains it in plenty of detail. As you'll see there were certain unique circumstances regarding mistakes made by 343i and MS in their marketing and it was going up against COD which Halo 5 probably won't, but it still shows how Halo isn't quite the cast-iron juggurnaut it once was

It's still certiainly an important asset for Xbone, however



Slimebeast on 22 February 2014
kowenicki said:
Slimebeast said:
No. Honestly by the time Halo 5 is coming out that series will be nearly obsolete.

Xbone is in huge trouble and you will see a big change soon. Remember you read it here first.

you and your constant halo is dying nonsense.

you keep saying it and you keep being wrong.

 

you said for Halo 4 2012 sales:

Slimebeast on 05 November 2012

 

No chance.

6 million is possible but that's the limit.

 

Reality : it did 7.5m

 

You said regarding lifetime sales

Slimebeast on 05 November 2012

 

I've said numerous times that Halo is on a decline. I predicted a 91% Meta. I've said the competition from COD is too fierce.

And I've said that Halo 4 has no chance to sell over 10 million copies lifetime. I stand by that.

 

Reality : Will cross 10m soon and in less time than all previous Halo's

Good digging Kow.

Perhaps overtracked?

But I have one metric that supports my theory, and it's online match activitiy that has dropped to rock bottum for Halo 4.

Honestly, in your heart Kow, don't you too feel that Halo has become somewhat irrelevant compared to the past?



papamudd on 22 February 2014

Well in my "expert" opinion I don't think the xone needs saving, but halo will help boost sales probably not as much as titanfall though unless they do something truly hype worthy with the game



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

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arcane_chaos on 22 February 2014

No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens



OttoniBastos on 22 February 2014

Well Halo 4 sell great because the hype(like FF13),but fans didn't like it. and the Xone install base will smaller than 360's. So halo 5 will sell great and move some consoles but will not be a 10m seller.



OttoniBastos on 22 February 2014
arcane_chaos said:
No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens

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zorg1000 on 22 February 2014
Enspire said:
zorg1000 said:
Enspire said:
zorg1000 said:
I hate when people use the term save without defining what they mean by it. Does it mean get 1st place? Prevent it from getting discontinued? Sell a specific amount lifetime? Increase weekly sales to over 100k? Until u actually state what ur criteria is for being saved, nobody can actually give a legitimate answer.

With that said, the way I see Halo is similar to the big Nintendo franchises, it will sell incredibly well despite a small install base. The original Halo sold over 6 million and Halo 2 sold over 8 million on a console with an install base under 25 million, just like Mario Kart & Smash Bros were able to sell about 7 million each on an install base just over 20 million.

I feel like this gen is going back to 6th gen levels to an extent. Nintendo no longer has a huge casual craze and the reason why 360 was able to split the PS2 crowd in half was due to the price advantage, headstart, superior online and superior 3rd multiplats in the first half of the gen and had Kinect to push sales in the second half, it no longer has any of those advantages and Kinect just like Wii was a casual craze for a few years then people moved on.

PS4 will most likely dominate this generation while Wii U and One fight for a distant 2nd place. Halo will help sales but it wont be a game changer that pushes it close to PS4.


I disagree,  original xbox had a weird ass remote and was huge and just not really nice, thats why the ps2 was so sucessful. The 360 was great, it created a huge fanbase for xbox and a lot of love from its fans. Before xbox one was announced Most ps3 users were saying they were getting a xbox next gen (at least here in North america). The xbox one just had a really bad PR at first, and then a lot of damage was done for launch especially with a 100$ extra pricetag. If xbox wouldve done things like the 360, xbox wouldve got an even firmer grip on NA and UK.

edit: i mean by this that the xbone could still change, and wouldnt be that much of a "distant second"

So the main reason for Xbox selling so low compared to PS2 was the controller? Cuz thats the only reason u gave. Also how many of the 25m+ PS3 owners in America said that? Im not trying to sound rude but u totally just made that up.

PS3 has outsold 360 in Japan+Europe+Others by 20m and growing, without the 1-1.5 year headstart and significant price advantage the gap would be much larger in these regions. PS4 is $100 cheaper and in general a stronger brand in these regions, we can probably expect a 30-40m lead for PS4 in Japan+Europe+Others.

America is literally the only major region that kept the contest close, 360 has almost a 20m lead here which almost cancels out the PS3 lead in every other region. The thing u have to consider is that us Americans are not loyal to brands at all when it comes to consoles. 2nd gen was dominated by Atari, 3rd gen by Nintendo, 4th gen was a battle between Nintendo/Sega, 5th/6th gen Sony dominated and 7th gen Nintendo dominated the first half with Microsoft dominating the second half. Just because 360 did extremely well in America does not mean One will.

What caused 360 to do so well compared to PS3 in America? Headstart/price/multiplats/online/Kinect. For the first few years 360 had a $200 price advantage, the best versions of mulitplats with many of them releasing earlier, Xbox Live was much superior to PSN. If u look at the yearly sales, in 2009 PS3 came very close to 360 in this region. This just so happens to be the year PS3 finally hit $299 and was within the 360 price range and mulitplats/online were starting to catch up, this also happens to be the year 360 was down year over year. The following year Kinect was released giving 360 a huge boost for the next 2 years, without Kinect its likely sales would have continued to drop.

This gen neither has a headstart, PS4 Is cheaper with the best multiplats, there is no huge online advantage for either and Kinect no longer has that casual appeal. PS4 is currently selling much better in America and there is currently nothing that shows this will change. Xbox exclusives like wont do the trick. Halo is by far the biggest Xbox exclusive and the best selling title on 360 saw a 1 million increase over the best selling Halo on the original Xbox despite 360 having triple the install base. One can be competitive In this region but PS4 will likely edge It out.

All in all unless Microsoft comes up with a big game changer we are probably looking at a 30-50 million lead for PS4, which would One in a distant 2nd.


I dont know what youre on, the ps2 was the only reasonable choice back then, thats it. No one even considered xbox imo. The only reason I ever see people saying for owning a ps3 was the free online. Thats a big ass advantage and it is the reason ps3 is selling better now. And a load of people like multiplayer games in america, ppl who care about solo games the ps3 had are rare here. So yea a load of ps3 owners felt left out. Multiplayer exclusives are way bigger than sp games. I remember ps3 was just considered the wrong console and the only argument was free online. That is , if your a mp fan, but like i just said mp > sp by a pretty wide gap. Give both of them free online and the ps3 wouldve never caught up. Even with its great games in the end, the sooo praised tlou sold 4 mill. Halo doubles that everytime. Gears also surpasses it easily. Xbox 360 was just the better choice if you dont mind paying.

U went from saying PS2 outsold Xbox because of the controller, now ur saying its because it was the only reasonable choice back then.

So the people u know that own a PS3 do because of free online, thats a huge difference from ur original post saying most PS3 owners in America planned on switching to Xbox.

Both consoles require a fee for online now and PS4 is outselling Xbox, even the multiplayer heavy games like COD/BF/EA Sports titles are all selling better on PS4. What is going to change that?



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JoeTheBro on 22 February 2014
kowenicki said:
JoeTheBro said:
It's still next year. OXM was just repeating the official 2014 date from before.

Also maybe? Halo 4 certainly didn't help the franchise.


This again.

Halo 4 is 9m at retail already (fastest) plus god know how many downloads, easily over 10m already is likely.


It released on a much larger user base. It has bigger initial sales at the cost of worse legs. Instead just look at its reception.

Halo fans unanimously agree it's the worst of the main games. It has the worst metacritic of the main games. Its online community completely disappeared shortly after launch.

So you think Halo 4 made the franchise stronger?



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