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osed125 said:
fighter said:
it's so funny how desperately the opposition is trying to make Maduro seem anti-democratic


Even if new elections are held he or his socialist party will win again, it's a very basic fact that Venezuela will never go back to become US's backyard.


Deal with it.

So the government killing civilians is democratic?

That's what you said also last time and thank go it ended up being filmed by a foreign crew and properly denounced as staged.

The fact the International press is being very careful about this is quite significant. The fact US administration and Venezuelan administration are blaming each other is also a reflection of your previoysly failed coup.

Notice how isolated the US declarations are ? Mmmm ?

Notice how scarce the supposed revolt is ? Mmmm ?

Notice how well equipped they are ? Mmmmm ?

 

Seems pretty clear to me.



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kupomogli said:
osed125 said:
kupomogli said:
Is the US military going to do anything about this or no?

They didn't do anything on Egypt nor Libia a couple of years ago. Don't see them doing anything here either.

Start spreading rumors that the country has a large untapped oil reserve.  That's why the US attacked Iraq, even if they say it's for other reasons.

I guess all we can hope is that it passes over quickly and doesn't escalate.

A) No that wasn't why the US attacked Iraq.  The USA didn't even end up getting a lot of the Iraqi oil.  It mostly went to the Chinese.

B) Venezuela does have a shit ton of oil... and it's not a secret.  It's part of the huge mismangement of the country under Chavez and Maduro, because they more or less gave the stuff away to countries they liked like Cuba.  

The Venezulian people could be rich... the problem is...  Having a poor underclass that requires government handouts makes a more consistant voting block for a socialist government party.



fighter said:
osed125 said:

So the government killing civilians is democratic?

That's what you said also last time and thank go it ended up being filmed by a foreign crew and properly denounced as staged.

The fact the International press is being very careful about this is quite significant. The fact US administration and Venezuelan administration are blaming each other is also a reflection of your previoysly failed coup.

Notice how isolated the US declarations are ? Mmmm ?

Notice how scarce the supposed revolt is ? Mmmm ?

Notice how well equipped they are ? Mmmmm ?

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

First I don't remember ever talking to you, second, being filmed by foreigners, what drugs are you into? 

So...the videos and images that are in the OP are all a lie? created by the opposition? People dying on the streets are a lie? Don't give me that BS. I have family and friends there telling me all this. The revolts are all over the country, there are multiple places where the revolts are unlike Kiev.

How well equipped they are? what the fuck are you even talking about?



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Kasz216 said:
kupomogli said:

Start spreading rumors that the country has a large untapped oil reserve.  That's why the US attacked Iraq, even if they say it's for other reasons.

I guess all we can hope is that it passes over quickly and doesn't escalate.

A) No that wasn't why the US attacked Iraq.  The USA didn't even end up getting a lot of the Iraqi oil.  It mostly went to the Chinese.

B) Venezuela does have a shit ton of oil... and it's not a secret.  It's part of the huge mismangement of the country under Chavez and Maduro, because they more or less gave the stuff away to countries they liked like Cuba.  

The Venezulian people could be rich... the problem is...  Having a poor underclass that requires government handouts makes a more consistant voting block for a socialist government party.

The management is SO bad that 10 years ago Venezuela was in second place of countries who exported oil to the U.S, last time I checked it was number 9.

And even more dire, Venezuela is importing gasoline (let that sink in for a moment).



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@fighter This is what happens when the international media tries to get news 

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/02/19/ns-penhaul-venezuela-cameras-taken.cnn.html



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Since Maduro "won" (a.k.a - Stole) the elections, this has been a scenario building up almost daily in Venezuela. The family I have living on Caracas has moved back to Anaco because they wanted to escape all this madness.

Maduro is gonna lead Venezuela to a new civil war, the likes of which the country hasn't seen on it's history. I just hope that the people that actually care for the country and it's future prevail.



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osed125 said:
fighter said:
osed125 said:

So the government killing civilians is democratic?

That's what you said also last time and thank go it ended up being filmed by a foreign crew and properly denounced as staged.

The fact the International press is being very careful about this is quite significant. The fact US administration and Venezuelan administration are blaming each other is also a reflection of your previoysly failed coup.

Notice how isolated the US declarations are ? Mmmm ?

Notice how scarce the supposed revolt is ? Mmmm ?

Notice how well equipped they are ? Mmmmm ?

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

First I don't remember ever talking to you, second, being filmed by foreigners, what drugs are you into? 

So...the videos and images that are in the OP are all a lie? created by the opposition? People dying on the streets are a lie? Don't give me that BS. I have family and friends there telling me all this. The revolts are all over the country, there are multiple places where the revolts are unlike Kiev.

How well equipped they are? what the fuck are you even talking about?

If you are unaware of the failed coup and the documentary "the revolution will not be televized" then you are in no position to even dicuss current events.

And by "you" you should have understood the plural "you" (what drugs prevented you from understanding such basic english ?)

The images show a very scarce crowd. The four deaths are not even linked to government troops but to mercenaries (which could like last time be hired by the opposition). There are even reports of the same bullets being used to kill a military and a protester.

They are equipped well enough to have national media broadcasting channels that support them since a decade now without having a balanced budget. Who pays the journalists ? The opposition parties are also being financed by US interests.



Kasz216 said:
kupomogli said:
osed125 said:
kupomogli said:
Is the US military going to do anything about this or no?

They didn't do anything on Egypt nor Libia a couple of years ago. Don't see them doing anything here either.

Start spreading rumors that the country has a large untapped oil reserve.  That's why the US attacked Iraq, even if they say it's for other reasons.

I guess all we can hope is that it passes over quickly and doesn't escalate.

A) No that wasn't why the US attacked Iraq.  The USA didn't even end up getting a lot of the Iraqi oil.  It mostly went to the Chinese.

I'm no expert but this seems pretty convincing...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are.

For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.



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fighter said:
osed125 said:
fighter said:
osed125 said:

So the government killing civilians is democratic?

That's what you said also last time and thank go it ended up being filmed by a foreign crew and properly denounced as staged.

The fact the International press is being very careful about this is quite significant. The fact US administration and Venezuelan administration are blaming each other is also a reflection of your previoysly failed coup.

Notice how isolated the US declarations are ? Mmmm ?

Notice how scarce the supposed revolt is ? Mmmm ?

Notice how well equipped they are ? Mmmmm ?

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

First I don't remember ever talking to you, second, being filmed by foreigners, what drugs are you into? 

So...the videos and images that are in the OP are all a lie? created by the opposition? People dying on the streets are a lie? Don't give me that BS. I have family and friends there telling me all this. The revolts are all over the country, there are multiple places where the revolts are unlike Kiev.

How well equipped they are? what the fuck are you even talking about?

If you are unaware of the failed coup and the documentary "the revolution will not be televized" then you are in no position to even dicuss current events.

And by "you" you should have understood the plural "you" (what drugs prevented you from understanding such basic english ?)

The images show a very scarce crowd. The four deaths are not even linked to government troops but to mercenaries (which could like last time be hired by the opposition). There are even reports of the same bullets being used to kill a military and a protester.

They are equipped well enough to have national media broadcasting channels that support them since a decade now without having a balanced budget. Who pays the journalists ? The opposition parties are also being financed by US interests.

Yes im in the right to talk about the situation. My uncle saw 2 students getting shoot, he and the rest of my family and friends are the best proof ill need (i also experienced the same when i lived there)

If you can't trust anything that's on TV or social media then in Kiev nothing is happening, the Egypt manifestation was a lie and well as in Libia...

There's really no point in fighting people like you. 



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