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what a load of crap selnor

gamers are choosing Sony's vision of a games machine over Microsoft's vision of an all in one box

P.S.4 will always have better graphics and have better and more games due to studios owned, Microsoft has messed up I'd be more worried about them tbh

look at Xbox1 now all the hard core Xbox fans have bought one it's now sat on shelves almost being outsold by wiiu, if that's your vision for gaming then you keep it!!!!!!



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If you want to read about it in the thread i made at the beginning of the year here. We even predicted the name to be OneBox from the leak

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154671




       

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didn't realise people predicted the name!!!! il have a good read of that thread when I finish work, this opera mini browser is garbage on my phone





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selnor1983 said:
Anyone who says this gen is even remotely over is wrong. PS4 has won nothing. A good start, but MS are following their own vision. Something I don't think Sony has. Sony reacted and took out PS Eye to be cheaper. But their future is what, more PS3.5 games?

5 years from now I really feel PS will be in trouble as a brand. It will not have moved forward.


I think Sony are trying to keep the PS4 primarily as a gaming device, with the other media functions a secondary selling point.

Microsoft are seemingly trying to keep the media features on a level peg with the gaming features.

We will see which strategy is the best with which sells the most lifetime... But as of right now, there is no denying the general public has made a choice. They want the cheaper gaming-focused machine opposed to the more expensive "all in one" entertainment device. You just have to look at the advertising to see what each company is going for. 

On top of this, the majority of Microsofts non-gaming features are aimed specifically at the American audience. This is why the system is showing extremely bad numbers outside of the US. 



                            

Can't wait to see where all this is going. People talk like the gen is over and fully won by Sony and MS will go down the sink like if they sold 20M less it means they failed big time. There are less than 10M next gen consoles sold already a lot can happen. I'm not implying that MS will catch up and outsell PS4 but more people could end up with both machines, more casuals could en up buying an X1 over a PS4 etc etc.

I'm not the kind that is satisfied with only better graphics as an upgrade I need more and yes I think ccameras and the clouds eventually will play a huge part in gaming media. There was a time when Sony had vision and was willing to try new things. Now because of their bad financial conditions they always play it safe and follow the competition. I don't care if they lead the market, I want them to bring new things and right now only Nintendo and MS are willing to try.



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the graphics argument is stupid... both systems are POS hardware wise and you can fairly easily build a system that performs better for the same price... PC will always have better graphics, more game, and through share numbers, better games. Yet all I hear is Sony Ponies spoting non-sense about graphics and screen resolution like it even matters. So what you can see a little more of the screen the Xbox One players, but you're not playing against them so the bonus is pointless. You're not getting higher resolution textures because you have the same amount of avalible memory and you're not going to be able to do thing the other system can't because both system are using the same base technology. You'll see a little more terrain and load textures a little bit faster and in the end you're still never going to play Gears of War or Forza or PGR or Halo or Fable. The same of course is in reverse, but I see much less crying from Xbots.



Yes, companies change their road maps all the time but it was accurated for a 2013 next generation.



selnor1983 said:
Anyone who says this gen is even remotely over is wrong. PS4 has won nothing. A good start, but MS are following their own vision. Something I don't think Sony has. Sony reacted and took out PS Eye to be cheaper. But their future is what, more PS3.5 games?

5 years from now I really feel PS will be in trouble as a brand. It will not have moved forward.

Is it 2006 again?



Somini said:
selnor1983 said:
Anyone who says this gen is even remotely over is wrong. PS4 has won nothing. A good start, but MS are following their own vision. Something I don't think Sony has. Sony reacted and took out PS Eye to be cheaper. But their future is what, more PS3.5 games?

5 years from now I really feel PS will be in trouble as a brand. It will not have moved forward.

Is it 2006 again?


No, but Sony is in serious finacial trouble and that means that the PlayStation brand is in trouble... let us hope that worse case it get spun off. I would hate for it to be bought by someone who has no real desire to keep the brand's excellence.



Cueil said:
Somini said:
selnor1983 said:
Anyone who says this gen is even remotely over is wrong. PS4 has won nothing. A good start, but MS are following their own vision. Something I don't think Sony has. Sony reacted and took out PS Eye to be cheaper. But their future is what, more PS3.5 games?

5 years from now I really feel PS will be in trouble as a brand. It will not have moved forward.

Is it 2006 again?


No, but Sony is in serious finacial trouble and that means that the PlayStation brand is in trouble... let us hope that worse case it get spun off. I would hate for it to be bought by someone who has no real desire to keep the brand's excellence.

What does that have to do with some trolling the PS4 by calling it the PS3.5?