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dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:

LOL don't tell me you actually beleive that? Any company fail. you can never be so sure aboutit and to see it won't fail  or cannot fail,, is total BS lol. The only part i agree is that sony  are not allowed to fail. Hence why when it saw MS blunder they removed teh ps eye from teh original bundle and dropped teh price. If they didn't tthen the start of this  gen would have been very interesting lol. Sony just cave in to the whinning gamers who only care about is pixels pixels and pixels  

You read that wrong, it's not saying PS4 can't fail, it's saying SCE can't afford to have PS4 fail.


Thats the title of that video lol. Even the video says that XD. 

No, you read that wrong, and misunderstood the video too.

The video says: Sony can not fail with PS4. Not that they won't fail, but If it fails they're screwed.

See the difference?


the video didn't say not that they won't fail

 

the guy doing video said " sony cannot fail with the ps4. it won't fail or cannot fail or less tehy are screwed. This is basically what Andrew House says" . Thats teh exact vwords that came straaght  from the beginning of the video. I know what sony tryign to say but thast not what the video said . nice try :)

No, the video says the right thing.

Listen carefully, it says "So Sony cannot fail with the PS4.  NOT that they won't fail, but they can't fail...".  The NOT makes it pretty clear.

Two of us tried explaining to you.  I'm not sure if you "can't comprehend", or "won't comprehend", but whatever.


Then you are pretty death and should get your hearing cheked as i put th evolume on full blast and replayed and not once he said the word not. heck if you google hes saying you will find it and he said "House firmly believes the PS4 can't "fail"

He says "not that they won't fail..." at 00:12.  Also the "they can not fail or they're screwed" gives it away.  Also the quote from Andy House gives is clear "SCE are not allowed to fail".

Anybody can watch the video and confirm what we're saying, and who is deaf.  I think you're just trying to be inflammatory and deserve a ban.




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DJEVOLVE said:
ethomaz said:
In my opinion the only think that differentiates Xbone is Kinect... if you removes it then it will loose in every single aspect to PS4... so it will became a non buy machine.

MS needs price cuts and games... I think the Kinect-less SKU a terrible idea.

Now some user experience with the UI... it doesn't works well without Kinect... it is a mess to navigate using controller on Xbone.... the UI was designed to works with Kinect... so if they choose to go with non-Kinect SKU they will need to make drastic changes in the UI.


Yep i actually agree, I think they should cut cost to 400$ with kinect, They wanted  it in the box, show confidence in the product.  I only turn on my kinect for Games that use it. System navigation is not to bad, does need some improvement. 

I have been a little upset with the lack of support for Kinect.  If they wanted people to buy in, then why no support? They thought the Kinect navigation and voice controls would sell by it self. I have to say Microsoft dropped the ball on this one. I like it but wanted games, not just a menu add on.

if it was 400 with kinect, people would still bitch and say "why dont you remove it and be cheaper than the ps4"



Oh wow, the peasants revolt. Get on it MS,  before you can't contain it.



Sal.Paradise said:

Oh wow, the peasants revolt. Get on it M,  before you can't contain it.

For some reason when i read defensive posts by ardent xbox fans, I can't help but imagine it in the Chris Crocker "leave britney alone" whine.



ICStats said:
dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:
ICStats said:
dane007 said:

LOL don't tell me you actually beleive that? Any company fail. you can never be so sure aboutit and to see it won't fail  or cannot fail,, is total BS lol. The only part i agree is that sony  are not allowed to fail. Hence why when it saw MS blunder they removed teh ps eye from teh original bundle and dropped teh price. If they didn't tthen the start of this  gen would have been very interesting lol. Sony just cave in to the whinning gamers who only care about is pixels pixels and pixels  

You read that wrong, it's not saying PS4 can't fail, it's saying SCE can't afford to have PS4 fail.


Thats the title of that video lol. Even the video says that XD. 

No, you read that wrong, and misunderstood the video too.

The video says: Sony can not fail with PS4. Not that they won't fail, but If it fails they're screwed.

See the difference?


the video didn't say not that they won't fail

 

the guy doing video said " sony cannot fail with the ps4. it won't fail or cannot fail or less tehy are screwed. This is basically what Andrew House says" . Thats teh exact vwords that came straaght  from the beginning of the video. I know what sony tryign to say but thast not what the video said . nice try :)

No, the video says the right thing.

Listen carefully, it says "So Sony cannot fail with the PS4.  NOT that they won't fail, but they can't fail...".  The NOT makes it pretty clear.

Two of us tried explaining to you.  I'm not sure if you "can't comprehend", or "won't comprehend", but whatever.


Then you are pretty death and should get your hearing cheked as i put th evolume on full blast and replayed and not once he said the word not. heck if you google hes saying you will find it and he said "House firmly believes the PS4 can't "fail"

He says "not that they won't fail..." at 00:12.  Also the "they can not fail or they're screwed" gives it away.  Also the quote from Andy House gives is clear "SCE are not allowed to fail".

Anybody can watch the video and confirm what we're saying, and who is deaf.  I think you're just trying to be inflammatory and deserve a ban.



i just rewatched it to humor you and still he didn't say teh NOT. he pauses and aid sony will not fail.  sure lets ask the peopel in thses forum to listen to it. Pls do ? let. will see how many deaf people are gamers lol



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Vasto said:
Kinect Sports should have been a day 1 launch title that came with every Xbox One. People would have been talking about how good Kinect is and that's what people want to hear. The main thing they need to do right now is reduce the price to $399 and afther that get rid of the stupid Xbox Live pay wall. Xbox Live should only be required for multiplayer gaming like PSN.


Totally agree with this, if your gonna have a pack in peripheral you need a pack in game to go with it, and it needs to be a rediculously fun title.

The pay wall stuff has always been stupid.

And the $500 price is clearly a major problem



mutantsushi said:
Xenostar said:

Just like the PS4 touch pad is fast turning into the giant "Select button", because why support something not everyone has. 

Except that the touchpad is nearly identical to PC laptop touchpads, so games can be designed for mouse w/ touchpad as backup on PC,

and directly translate to a PS4 game with every player ensured to have at least a touchpad, with full mouse/keyboard support like PS3.

Merely supporting mouse/keyboard doesn't ensure that all players will have that, thus a backup input method is needed,

with touchpad, it is basically in the same position as PC laptop touchpads, and even if not AS optimal as a mouse,

it's sufficient to allow games to be designed around an imput method where mouse/keyboard takes prime spot.

3rd party multiplat games will not be using this in any meaningfull way, i think it will begin and end with map navigation, even then in AC4 its still better to use analog sticks to navigate the map. ( I hope its because they just did a lazy job of it)

NO ONE is going to make a mouse based game where you use this touch pad instead, it would be awful.

But none of it matters its a bit of fun and most importantly its super cheap for Sony, its not a $100-200 add on thats bloating the price of the console. 



selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:
selnor1983 said:
People need to admit that Kinect is a pack in, not a peripheral. This is not Playstation.

They know that but they think it is not working that way... so MS needs to change... that's the Polygon opinion.

Sales are killing MS.

Sales are fine. Many countries not yet released in. And Titanfall is next month. Microsoft would be stupid to react to anything now. Sales are fine for 13 countries. Its only been 3 months. Lets revisit sales at E3.

One of those countries is Japan, like the rest of the world they too make lines for Titanfall. And yeah fine sales for xbone especially in europe



S.T.A.G.E. said:

1) You're incorrect. A primary controller is what controls the whole system. Cant play proper games with the Kinect unless they are designed around the Kinect. The tech isnt sophisticated enough hence why Sony created the move. The Wii mote was a primary controller for the Wii. Its true value couldn't be realized without it. Do not put your subjective opinion into this. I like the Kinect...but objectively speaking...it is not primary. I also do not see the purpose in its bundling at the moment as nothing outside of the UI is utilizing it.

2) Microsoft has no technical vision for the Kinect, they are just trying to profit off of primesenses work. Primesense is gone off and doing their on thing now. MS is trying to force that device down everyones throat now. Microsoft only pays attention to what sells. They dont care about the quality of the overall product. It was  a fad riding off of the Wii's success. MS knows this, hence why they force bundled it.

3) Incorrect on so many levels. This is Sonys third Eyetoy. They've NEVER FORCED BUNDLED IT.

This is not an arugment. Sorry to say. Was nice chatting.


Stage, you need to do your research better.  Before Primesense MS was doing camera base tech.  Primesense allowed MS to come to market sooner and cheaper.  With Kinect 2, MS no longer use primesense because the tech they were working with became more affordable.  As for forcing a device down your throat thats BS.  A company has a product and a vision, you have the right to not purchase it.  Nobody is forcing anything on you because you have the right to just say no.

3)You are right, Sony never committed to the Eyetoy.  They never risk anything on the device and after a few products every time it went no where.  At least Nintendo had the balls to risk their business on the Wiimote and I would say at least MS is willing to take risk as well.  



dane007 said:


i just rewatched it to humor you and still he didn't say teh NOT. he pauses and aid sony will not fail.  sure lets ask the peopel in thses forum to listen to it. Pls do ? let. will see how many deaf people are gamers lol


Yeah I read the debate between you all and I sorry dane007 at 00:12 he CLEARLY says "not that they won't fail, they can not fail or they're screwed" then goes on to say this is what House said. ANd even explains why they "can't" fail because the gaming division is a core business. I am not really sure what or why you are arguing it when you even CLEARY said "The only part i agree is that sony  are not allowed to fail."(your post at the very bottom of page 11). So you had to have CLEARY heard him say not but for some reason you are all of a sudden denying it(I mean it is hard to miss that part but hear the rest of it)....not sure what is going here. But just had to join in to clear things up...hope this helps... peace

 

Then you said something elsethat bothered me a little. You said this"

  Sony just cave in to the whinning gamers who only care about is pixels pixels and pixels  "

Id on't understand so because so actually LISTENED to what the "CONSUMERS" wanted that is a bad thing now? Heck I thought that was smart businesspersonally. especially considering their current finacial situation. They made the correct decision. So are you saying that is bad?

 



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