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XanderXT on 15 February 2014

I don't know. More people were hyped about the PS2 than PS4 and Xbox One combined.



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Mad55 on 15 February 2014

Also people are predicting the ps4 to do better than the ps3 based off it having a better first 4 months. but the xbox one has had a better first 4 months than the 360 and people are expecting it to sell less than the 360? This is madness.



Lawlight on 15 February 2014

No, it won't but it will certainly destroy the competition.



tbone51 on 15 February 2014
Mad55 said:
Also people are predicting the ps4 to do better than the ps3 based off it having a better first 4 months. but the xbox one has had a better first 4 months than the 360 and people are expecting it to sell less than the 360? This is madness.


this isnt madness.... This Is Mad55!!!! :p



Mad55 on 15 February 2014
tbone51 said:
Mad55 said:
Also people are predicting the ps4 to do better than the ps3 based off it having a better first 4 months. but the xbox one has had a better first 4 months than the 360 and people are expecting it to sell less than the 360? This is madness.


this isnt madness.... This Is Mad55!!!! :p

AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT TBONE!!!!

lol



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Nem on 15 February 2014
vivster said:
Nem said:
vivster said:
Way too early to call. There probably won't be a 2:1 at the end of the gen. Probably not even 1.5:1.


Are you sure? Cause its already above 2 to 1 on weekly sales, without japan. Actually, the PS4 is ramping up to a 2 million advantage in the next weeks. I imagine that even with titanfall, the PS4 will be more than doubling the X1 overall sales before E3.

 

I agree OP. It will be Playstation domination this gen. Europe and Japan are completely won over. The only battle left is the US. If Xbox starts losing the multiplats, it will be all over.

I think the difference wont be as big, because im expecting overall sales to be worse this gen.

You don't expect this to stay that way are you? What we are seeing now are not the regular sales for PS4 but still the pent up initial demand. When that is done the sales will be a lot closer. Also expect MS to bring the big guns to E3. A price cut and some big new featurs and games will do wonders for the X1.


Indeed things could change a bit if Microsoft was willing to take losses to stay competitive. But, if reports are accurate the new CEO is already under fire to kill the Xbox, Bing and Surface. The board wont be pleased with taking more losses on the Xbox business. And thats where the problem is for the Xbox. The console business just isnt as appealing to Microsoft as their B2B.

So, do i expect thing to stay the way they are? Yes, i do. Because the only chance for them in europe is to be priced below the PS4, and that would mean taking losses. The only i see on their hand is to unbundle the kinect and match the price of the PS4. Thats basically all they can do. But i dont think its enough to revert the situation.



thismeintiel on 15 February 2014
allblue said:
BeElite said:
allblue said:
Wow, 4 months into release and people are already celebrating. X1 is selling on its own overcoming both that initial negative back lash and $100 gap to boot. There's titanfall, Gears, Halo and others megahit franchises MS can get its hand on with their deep pockets.

X1 can still beat PS4, one generation is a long time.


yahh becasue PS4 will not get UC4 TLOS2 GOW GT7 and all the other sony exclusioves and superior 3rd partys.

X1 lost the war, its a matter of how respectable a figth it can put up now.

I'm not even an xbox fan and I can tell how arrogant you are sounding right now. How big are Uncharted, TLOS, GoW as franchises compared to Halo, Gears etc? Heck One Halo entry outsold all the sony exclusive titles put together if I recall the numbers correctly. 

Lol, no.  Funny how everyone conveniently forgets GT, Sony's flagship.  GT is on the same level as Halo.  Uncharted is on the same level as Gears.  TLOS could be shaping up to be a 4M+ selling franchise.  Heavy Rain outsold Alan Wake.  Of course, Sony has something MS lacks, those smaller franchises that always sell 1M+/2M+ (Infamous, Rachet and Clank, Resistance, MLB.)  Then we have all the new IPs this gen.  I'm sure with the PS4's greater install base, they have a pretty good chance at selling very well.



 

vivster on 15 February 2014
Nem said:
vivster said:
Nem said:
vivster said:
Way too early to call. There probably won't be a 2:1 at the end of the gen. Probably not even 1.5:1.


Are you sure? Cause its already above 2 to 1 on weekly sales, without japan. Actually, the PS4 is ramping up to a 2 million advantage in the next weeks. I imagine that even with titanfall, the PS4 will be more than doubling the X1 overall sales before E3.

 

I agree OP. It will be Playstation domination this gen. Europe and Japan are completely won over. The only battle left is the US. If Xbox starts losing the multiplats, it will be all over.

I think the difference wont be as big, because im expecting overall sales to be worse this gen.

You don't expect this to stay that way are you? What we are seeing now are not the regular sales for PS4 but still the pent up initial demand. When that is done the sales will be a lot closer. Also expect MS to bring the big guns to E3. A price cut and some big new featurs and games will do wonders for the X1.


Indeed things could change a bit if Microsoft was willing to take losses to stay competitive. But, if reports are accurate the new CEO is already under fire to kill the Xbox, Bing and Surface. The board wont be pleased with taking more losses on the Xbox business. And thats where the problem is for the Xbox. The console business just isnt as appealing to Microsoft as their B2B.

So, do i expect thing to stay the way they are? Yes, i do. Because the only chance for them in europe is to be priced below the PS4, and that would mean taking losses. The only i see on their hand is to unbundle the kinect and match the price of the PS4. Thats basically all they can do. But i dont think its enough to revert the situation.

Your combination of over estimating the PS4 and under estimating the X1 form a distorted picture of the situation. MS will not discontinue the Xbox. It's not like it has to. Their finances are stable and in a continuous up trend, like they always are. The gaming division is such a small part of the company. The new CEO so far hasn't shown any intention of losing any division. Share holders talk a lot of stuff but that doesn't necessarily result in actions. See Nintendo. The consumer business is important to MS, no matter how much the investors ignore it.

MS still has all the chances to take NA. They don't need to rule the european market to stay profitable. From this year on it could go either way. I don't expect any game droughts from any of the consoles but MS still has the chance to hit it off with the casuals while the PS4 hype slowly dies off. Or of course the momentum of the PS4 could be too big and swallow X1 sales. I would never write off the X1 though. What MS has done with the 360 is a feat comparable to what Sony did with the PS1. Penetrating and winning a believed closed market. Of course it did so with major help from the PS3. So the same Situation like it is now, just reversed.

There is like a 30% chance that this gen won't be completely dominated by the PS4. Too big to ignore.



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Nem on 15 February 2014
vivster said:
Nem said:


Indeed things could change a bit if Microsoft was willing to take losses to stay competitive. But, if reports are accurate the new CEO is already under fire to kill the Xbox, Bing and Surface. The board wont be pleased with taking more losses on the Xbox business. And thats where the problem is for the Xbox. The console business just isnt as appealing to Microsoft as their B2B.

So, do i expect thing to stay the way they are? Yes, i do. Because the only chance for them in europe is to be priced below the PS4, and that would mean taking losses. The only i see on their hand is to unbundle the kinect and match the price of the PS4. Thats basically all they can do. But i dont think its enough to revert the situation.

Your combination of over estimating the PS4 and under estimating the X1 form a distorted picture of the situation. MS will not discontinue the Xbox. It's not like it has to. Their finances are stable and in a continuous up trend, like they always are. The gaming division is such a small part of the company. The new CEO so far hasn't shown any intention of losing any division. Share holders talk a lot of stuff but that doesn't necessarily result in actions. See Nintendo. The consumer business is important to MS, no matter how much the investors ignore it.

MS still has all the chances to take NA. They don't need to rule the european market to stay profitable. From this year on it could go either way. I don't expect any game droughts from any of the consoles but MS still has the chance to hit it off with the casuals while the PS4 hype slowly dies off. Or of course the momentum of the PS4 could be too big and swallow X1 sales. I would never write off the X1 though. What MS has done with the 360 is a feat comparable to what Sony did with the PS1. Penetrating and winning a believed closed market. Of course it did so with major help from the PS3. So the same Situation like it is now, just reversed.

There is like a 30% chance that this gen won't be completely dominated by the PS4. Too big to ignore.


As you say that, rumors that Microsoft is in talks with amazon to sell the Xbox division come up. I think you are ignoring something that is clear. Microsoft doesnt want to lose more money on the Xbox, and at this pace, they will have to.

Microsoft gets into businesses to win and the fact is they cant win in the games market. Yeah they can get profitable when they manage to 1-up Sony at the start, but that isnt the case anymore. This market is a bad investment for them. They would be better off investing on a different market for the ammount of money they have to throw at it.



FinalFantasyXIII on 15 February 2014

Withe the Wii U tablet and the XB1 Kinect...duyh.