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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
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fatslob-:O on 16 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:


Yeah, the DDR3 4650 has 16GB/s bandwidth, and 384GFLOPs single precision on a 64bit bus. More or less inline with the WiiUs speculated GPU specs. Digital Foundry was spot on their assessment, I dunno how they do it.

Its getting late and Im tired. I believe Ive made my point though, at 400 replies this thread was undoubtably a success.

Of course this battle will be put to rest when Kart and Smash launch. After that smaller battles and rebellions will rage on but the "hidden power" war has been lost in my opinion. I predict 720p for Kart because of its effects and the jaggies I've seen in its press and 1080p for smash, which looks like brawl running on Dolphin XD.

I always thought that the latte graphics chip was a cut down HD 5550 because it fits so well with the configurations. The amount of TMU's on the 4650 was a bit excessive for what the WII U could pull off considering that the textures aren't better AT ALL. 



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game_on on 16 February 2014

What we are saying the Wii Us GPU, the thing that dictates framerate and resolution, is no better than the 7th gen by any significant margin. What I am saying is how can the Wii U whose graphical output is on par with the 7th gen reduce the gap with the X1 and PS4?  Why is the gap suddenly "not as big". Why doesnt anyone say the same about the 360 and PS3? Since they are currently on par with and not falling behind the Wii U in any way yet.

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Then I will say it, CoD Ghosts looks almost exactly the same on X1 and X360.



curl-6 on 16 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:

 The WiiUs raw GPU horespower is in line with the 7th gen period.


"the Wii U is a truly powerful console. The console is definitely more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3." - Frozenbyte

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1999044/wii_u_is_a_truly_powerful_console_more_powerful_than_360_and_ps3_trine_2_dev.html


“The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen." - Shin'en

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/shinen_wii_u_has_enough_power_for_years_to_come_gpu_is_several_generations_ahead_of_current_consoles



oniyide on 16 February 2014
Cheebee said:
oniyide said:
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Cheebee said:
Funny how most Wii U threads are in no time overrun by rabid Sony and MS fans, apparently. This one has gone nowhere fast.


funny how you have nothing to counter what any of the Sony or MS fans have been saying.

Yeah I'm not touching any of that with a 100 ft pole. Not going to lead anywhere but into more trolling. What I said above is 100% true though, wouldn't you agree? Ah well, that's to be expected here I guess.


you're not touching it because there is nothing TO discuss, and why even post if you have nothing to say on the subject at hand? I wonder...

Thing is you are still wrong because this isnt soley a Wii U thread, the OP directly compares it to PS4 and you are shocked that SONY fans are in the forum? come on man. 

Yeah. So if you go ahead and read my first post you'll notice how I distinctly said threads, not thread. As in plural. Basically all threads on here that have anything remotely positive to say about Wii U are in no time overrun by Sony ans MS fans. I could've posted that in any other of them too, yes, but I happened upon this one. What can you do, eh?


you can save time and energy and ignore it. Oh and who was saying anything negative about Wii U?

I do, that's why I don't respond to most of them. Wish those Sony and MS fans would do the same. As for the negative stuff, well just check the majority of those threads, it's pretty obvious, even if it's only implied instead of outright flamed. Don't pretend you haven't got a clue.

you would do well to do just that. Point out the negative in this THREAD. thats where we are after all, not concerned about the others. 



curl-6 on 16 February 2014
oniyide said:
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oniyide said:

its bollocks. So all those exclusives for Wii U werent built fromt he ground up for it? Ill give you NSMBWU since it probably used damn near all the assests of the WIi one, and Pikmin3 since that started as a Wii game. But what of the rest? Zombi U, 3d world, DKC

None of those games were built to be graphically intensive; Zombi U is technically weak even compared to other Wii U games, 3D World takes place in small simple  worlds, and Tropical Freeze is essentially just a Wii engine beefed up with HD and some fancy fur and water shaders. None of them push the hardware.


you didnt say graphically intensive, you said built from the ground up. Not the same thing. So now these games dont push the HW? funny how Pikmin 3 was lauded for graphics now all of a sudden its not graphically intensive. Either what you are saying is nonsense and you dont want to admit that the Wii U isnt as powerful as you want it to be or maybe you are right and it isnt graphically intensive. But we have seen at least one game graphically intensive. X and its STILL behind PS4, by a good margin.

I said "built from the ground up to be graphically intensive". A game can look great without pushing the hardware; 3D World, for instance, is gorgeous, even if it's not maxing out 1GB of RAM and a DX10/11 capable GPGPU. It's folly to judge a system's power when no game so far has even attempted to reach the limits of that power. Having the power's only half the battle, the other half is having developers with the talent, mapower, resources, time, and motivation to fully exploit it.



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mine on 16 February 2014

PS4 and One have better graphics than the Wii U?? THATs SHOCKING news.

But listen: those who are for the best graphics (which is often not the same as the best gameplay experience) - can they choose a PS4 or Xbox One? Of course NOT - the PC offers much higher fidelity in graphics and each day that passes the gap between PC and consoles grows.

PS4 and One are even outdated NOW as they don't offer anything comparable to NVidia Gsync. Which - if supported - would make those stutter or tearing discussions (as seens in the titanfall forums) once and for all time a thing of the past.

Also it GPU power isn't a big issue - otherwise nobody would have played games the last 20+ years. And even more: PS4 and One are the console generation which offers the least GPU power compared to the PC. It is foreseeable that they won't "last" 8+ years as the PS3 or 360. The 360 came out with a new GPU gen, the PS3 had a Cell chip. Both were sold heavily under value. A comparable PC would have cost 2 or 3 TIMES more at launch. Now the difference are just 100-200 bucks. Not that big deal.

So expect the "next-gen" within 4 years. By that time even smartphones will have the same graphics as PS4 or One. Not to forget the "upgradable" Steamboxes which will support 2K, 4K and Oculus Rift within the next two years.

Will people buy PS4 and One in two years? Of course they will. The same people which are writing about the "underpowered" Wii U won't mind THEN that their consoles are underpowered compared to the state of the art. Just as the 360 and PS3 were the last 4 years.

Just connect the Wii (!) to a 480p LCD with a good upscaler and enjoy Mario Galaxy or Donkey Kong Country etc. . Good design can do wonders. And even better design can be timeless. As seen by Windwaker which still looks and plays awesome on the GC.

If Nintendo gets their act together and makes the GamePad the imput device like it was envisioned - people will talk about these games in 20 years when PS4/One games are long forgotten...



fatslob-:O on 16 February 2014
mine said:

So expect the "next-gen" within 4 years. By that time even smartphones will have the same graphics as PS4 or One. 

LOL that ignorance though ...



oniyide on 16 February 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
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oniyide said:

its bollocks. So all those exclusives for Wii U werent built fromt he ground up for it? Ill give you NSMBWU since it probably used damn near all the assests of the WIi one, and Pikmin3 since that started as a Wii game. But what of the rest? Zombi U, 3d world, DKC

None of those games were built to be graphically intensive; Zombi U is technically weak even compared to other Wii U games, 3D World takes place in small simple  worlds, and Tropical Freeze is essentially just a Wii engine beefed up with HD and some fancy fur and water shaders. None of them push the hardware.


you didnt say graphically intensive, you said built from the ground up. Not the same thing. So now these games dont push the HW? funny how Pikmin 3 was lauded for graphics now all of a sudden its not graphically intensive. Either what you are saying is nonsense and you dont want to admit that the Wii U isnt as powerful as you want it to be or maybe you are right and it isnt graphically intensive. But we have seen at least one game graphically intensive. X and its STILL behind PS4, by a good margin.

I said "built from the ground up to be graphically intensive". A game can look great without pushing the hardware; 3D World, for instance, is gorgeous, even if it's not maxing out 1GB of RAM and a DX10/11 capable GPGPU. It's folly to judge a system's power when no game so far has even attempted to reach the limits of that power. Having the power's only half the battle, the other half is having developers with the talent, mapower, resources, time, and motivation to fully exploit it.

im judging it on X, which doenst look better than Infamous SS which is in the launch window of PS4. PS4 hasnt been out a year yet and Infamous SS already looks like it does. Cant wait for FF15 to go even further.



orniletter on 16 February 2014
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

 The WiiUs raw GPU horespower is in line with the 7th gen period.


"the Wii U is a truly powerful console. The console is definitely more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3." - Frozenbyte

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1999044/wii_u_is_a_truly_powerful_console_more_powerful_than_360_and_ps3_trine_2_dev.html


“The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen." - Shin'en

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/shinen_wii_u_has_enough_power_for_years_to_come_gpu_is_several_generations_ahead_of_current_consoles

He is correct though, the WiiU is just more efficient and can do modern tricks more easily (but is more a 360 1.5 than a whole 2.0)

And there is nothing wrong with that.

Nintendo´s games speak for themselves.



orniletter on 16 February 2014

Quote trees, people !

*cracks whip*

 

Edit: And people having to compare "X" to games on significantly more powerful systems and budgets far and away bigger is enough as a moral victory.

X looks good and there isn´t a single open world-ish JRPG on last gen systems that it  is comparable to.

Don´t give me any of the same old empty Red Dead Redemption / incredibly linear The Last of Us and Final Fantasy XIII gifs