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Fusioncode on 09 February 2014
Zappykins said:
pezus said:
Zappykins said:
I'd say Sony, because it's hard to push a console for a company 1. that is expected to declare bankruptcy soon. They seem really panicked and unhappy. Even at a cheaper price and more markets, 2. it's barely leading.

But it's interesting, each of the fans of a company seem to reflect the values and principals of that company.

1. That is not expected.

2. I wouldn't call over a 1.5m lead and counting in just two months barely leading. It's selling about twice what One is doing every week now.

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

1. They have Infamous coming next month with Uncharted, Driveclub, and The Order 1886 on their way. I don't see how that's any worse than the XBO lineup of Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, and possible a Halo 2 remake. Clearly those PS4 games don't appeal to you but it's shortsighted to say they aren't high profile. And Considering the XBO is doing terribly in Europe and has no chance in Japan; I think it's the one that has rough waters ahead. Especially since it's currently losing in the US, where it dominated last gen.

2. One of the IGN comments summed up that article pretty well, let me post it:

All these economists did was use a custom Altman z-score algorithm according to their methodology, which is linear algebra and statistics. It's a decent predictor of bankruptcy for solely manufacturing companies, of which Sony is not. That's part of their business, the rest's in finance, for which this algorithm's basis is inappropriate and inaccurate as a metric. It's also dependent on how they bin their data, etc. for a variety of parameters that determine the score.

The reason it's so poor a metric for Sony's financial aspects has to do with stochastic fluctuations that directly affect their financial business making a time-series analysis a more appropriate metric. Before I read this blog, I knew *none* of this. I just used your links and Google to do some research. I'm only a mathematician, so I don't know finances per se. All I know is that their given metric is not well suited to predicting Sony's future based on my brief readings. Thus, I'm not terribly concerned from this report based on what I just learned. -Peace



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S.T.A.G.E. on 09 February 2014

Its the hardest technically to be a Nintendo fan because more often than not they are always left out of discussion in the war between Sony and Microsoft.



Fusioncode on 09 February 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Its the hardest technically to be a Nintendo fan because more often than not they are always left out of discussion in the war between Sony and Microsoft.

They get brought in whenever Sony and MS fans want to gang up on somebody. 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 09 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Its the hardest technically to be a Nintendo fan because more often than not they are always left out of discussion in the war between Sony and Microsoft.

They get brought in whenever Sony and MS fans want to gang up on somebody. 


Nah, MS and Nintendo fans have a common enemy since the Sony fanboys always run the boards.



MoHasanie on 09 February 2014
Zappykins said:
pezus said:
Zappykins said:
I'd say Sony, because it's hard to push a console for a company 1. that is expected to declare bankruptcy soon. They seem really panicked and unhappy. Even at a cheaper price and more markets, 2. it's barely leading.

But it's interesting, each of the fans of a company seem to reflect the values and principals of that company.

1. That is not expected.

2. I wouldn't call over a 1.5m lead and counting in just two months barely leading. It's selling about twice what One is doing every week now.

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

Declaring bankrptcy is not the end for such huge corporations. GM declared bankruptcy in 2009 but the government could never let such a huge corporation fail with 200,000+ employees and so helped reorganise the business by closing and selling off factories and subsdiaries. And GM has a huge $172bn in debt so it was in a worse position than Sony is right now.

Similarly Sony with 140,000 employees would never simiply go out of business for just declaring bankruptcy. The government would rescue them first. 



    

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Zappykins on 09 February 2014
MoHasanie said:
Zappykins said:

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

Declaring bankrptcy is not the end for such huge corporations. GM declared bankruptcy in 2009 but the government could never let such a huge corporation fail with 200,000+ employees and so helped reorganise the business by closing and selling off factories and subsdiaries. And GM has a huge $172bn in debt so it was in a worse position than Sony is right now.

Similarly Sony with 140,000 employees would never simiply go out of business for just declaring bankruptcy. The government would rescue them first.

Well, yes and no. GM was only valued at $26 Billion at the time so it wasn't that big of a value for the US - but held a number of important jobs from the other companies they relied upon that business.  Sony is currently around $16-17 Billion depending on the day.  I seriusly doubt the US government would do anything for Sony - it doesn't feed other business the way auto manufacturing does.  In other words, it's not as imporant for the US economny as GM was in 2009.  Maybe Japan would.

Sony wouldn't just all dissapear - other companies would buy off pieces.  But just look at THQ and you never know how things are going to fall.  But depends how much they can get for PC manufacturing. Rhode Island worked hard to stop it, but it didn't work out for THQ in the long run.

But maybe you are right, perhapse it's harder to be a Mirosoft or Nintendo fan.



 

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MoHasanie on 09 February 2014
Zappykins said:
MoHasanie said:
Zappykins said:
 

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

Declaring bankrptcy is not the end for such huge corporations. GM declared bankruptcy in 2009 but the government could never let such a huge corporation fail with 200,000+ employees and so helped reorganise the business by closing and selling off factories and subsdiaries. And GM has a huge $172bn in debt so it was in a worse position than Sony is right now.

Similarly Sony with 140,000 employees would never simiply go out of business for just declaring bankruptcy. The government would rescue them first.

Well, yes and no. GM was only valued at $26 Billion at the time so it wasn't that big of a value for the US - but held a number of important jobs from the other companies they relied upon that business.  Sony is currently around $16-17 Billion depending on the day.  I seriusly doubt the US government would do anything for Sony - it doesn't feed other business the way auto manufacturing does.  In other words, it's not as imporant for the US economny as GM was in 2009.  Maybe Japan would.

Sony wouldn't just all dissapear - other companies would buy off pieces.  But just look at THQ and you never know how things are going to fall.  But depends how much they can get for PC manufacturing. Rhode Island worked hard to stop it, but it didn't work out for THQ in the long run.

But maybe you are right, perhapse it's harder to be a Mirosoft or Nintendo fan.

Wow I never knew GM was only worth $26bn at the time! :O . Now it worth twice that. 

No I meant the Japanese gvt would be prepared to rescue Sony. Breaking up Sony and selling different divisions would probably be the worst case scenario but I don't think it will happen, but who knows! 



    

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Zappykins on 09 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
Zappykins said:
 

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

1. They have Infamous coming next month with Uncharted, Driveclub, and The Order 1886 on their way. I don't see how that's any worse than the XBO lineup of Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, and possible a Halo 2 remake. Clearly those PS4 games don't appeal to you but it's shortsighted to say they aren't high profile. And Considering the XBO is doing terribly in Europe and has no chance in Japan; I think it's the one that has rough waters ahead. Especially since it's currently losing in the US, where it dominated last gen.

2. One of the IGN comments summed up that article pretty well, let me post it:

 

All these economists did was use a custom Altman z-score algorithm according to their methodology, which is linear algebra and statistics. It's a decent predictor of bankruptcy for solely manufacturing companies, of which Sony is not. That's part of their business, the rest's in finance, for which this algorithm's basis is inappropriate and inaccurate as a metric. It's also dependent on how they bin their data, etc. for a variety of parameters that determine the score.

The reason it's so poor a metric for Sony's financial aspects has to do with stochastic fluctuations that directly affect their financial business making a time-series analysis a more appropriate metric. Before I read this blog, I knew *none* of this. I just used your links and Google to do some research. I'm only a mathematician, so I don't know finances per se. All I know is that their given metric is not well suited to predicting Sony's future based on my brief readings. Thus, I'm not terribly concerned from this report based on what I just learned. -Peace

 

Ok, well if you want to look over time, it's a much worse picture.  It's dropped to 10.7% off it's high in 2000.  So nearly 89.3% of the company's value has evaporated. (I know, it's kinda really sad - they should have listened to me more carefully.)

And I agree with you it's never that simple.  Must of Sony's revenue is made through it's insurance companies.   I doubt it will dissapear, but I don't know what will happen.  Apple was going to die but Bill Gates saved them with $213ish Million dollars (today's dollars, was $150 mil in 1997.)   Perhapse he or someone might do the same for Sony.

Or maybe they could have a hit movie this year.   But when they are several times more likely to go banrukpt than Eastman-Kodak, the next one on the list, it's not a good time to be that company.

As far as the games, I look at it this way:

Driveclub vs Forza - that just kind of a wash.  It means fans of either console get a driving sime they can be happy about.  Neither side loses.

The Order 1886- could be cool, but it's lacking multi player (annouced today.) So might be a fun game, but will not grow the revenue generating PlayStation Plus.  Say compair it to Quantum Break, and maybe it's a slight edge to Sony as it will probably have a younger demographic.

Infamous - yes a big exclusive.  No doubt about that one.  But it's coming at an awkward time, and up against TitanFall.  Uncharted should also have multiplayer and  increase PlayStation Plus, as we know they aren't making money on the system, they need to sell the service to make revenue.  TitanFall will push both Xbox One and Xbox Live. So even if TitanFall it's bad reviews and flops, the preorders are going to be ahead of Uncharted for a long time.  But for this discussion, let's say they are equal.

Then Xbox One has some Halo game in the Fall.  That will be at least some small to big.  Plus, like it or not, Kinect games also sell systems.  And there are some decent Kinect games coming to the Xbox One this year.

Then we come down to Project Spark.  The crazy wild card.  It could flop, and flop hard.  Or it could be huge like Minecraft.  I don't see much inbetween.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

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dane007 on 09 February 2014

Theres no reason for it to be difficult. Just be a fan of all three and enjoy benefits that come with it :)



Trunkin on 09 February 2014

I'd say it's easiest to be a Sony fan because OMG HOLY CHRIST $400 GDDR5 GRAFIX NEW IPS INDIES SALES!!11!1! Oh, and don't forget TLOU.

M$ is second, because of their newfound push for exclusive games, and even new IPS. Times are looking dim in terms of sales, but Xbox gamers will definitely always have something to play for the next couple of years, so they should be content.

It's hardest to be a Nintendo fan because Wii U. And damn if they aren't releasing too many Mario games! What happened to all their other franchises, huh?