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Which company has a bleaker future?

Sony 554 56.02%
 
Nintendo 198 20.02%
 
Why no MS...... 234 23.66%
 
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famousringo said:

Meanwhile, the big screen in the living room is in very real danger of being conquered by a dozen smaller screens.


It´s already happening...... the console market is selling less and less since 2010, even with last year big launches. Videogame will again be a niche market. The industry itself lost the chance to make videogame consoles an integral part of family entertainment, like  movies (dvd, blue-ray) or music (cd, mp3).



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It's hard to say. Sony has a lot of departments bleeding cash (hello, tv unit). They are going to have to trim quite a bit to survive, and it looks like they are starting that process.

Nintendo is a gaming only company. Their biggest strength has always been handhelds, but the dedicated handheld market is shrinking, so they are going to have to find a way to profit from mobile. As for home consoles, things are obviously bad with the Wii U, and the next generation is going to be crucial. They could hit a home run (another Wii) or it could be another Wii U, and that would in all likelihood be their last home console. They are fine for now, but things could get much worse as time goes on if they cannot adapt to the changing market.



Sony, sadly.



Sony because they like to take risk.



Lawlight said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Lawlight said:
J_Allard said:
Sony, obviously.

If you look at it purely in a gaming market sense, Nintendo has billions to bleed through and a handheld market they dominate. Sony is in financial trouble and that could really affect their gaming division. Look at the losses they suffered with PS3 and even the start of the PS2 gen.

Outside of gaming, Nintendo still has billions of dollars in str8 cash homie sitting in the bank, so they are good. Sony could also be ok here. Even if they have to shed off every division but one, they make tons of money selling life insurance.


Nintendo went from having about $10B in 2008 to about $5.5B in the space of 5 years. Needless to say, this will only get worse unless they can come up with something new.

Sorry but, its not 5.5 billion is actually 8.6 billion not sure where you got that number from.

So, it dropped from $14B (if Reuters is to believed) to $8.6B... And dropping by the quarter...

http://www.forbes.com/companies/nintendo/

over 11 billion is pretty good in my view. Look no one is saying Nintendo is performing great today, the question is which is in a worse position? And anyone who looks at this objectively and honestly will say one thing: Sony.

and you didn't have to tell me I was right about Nintendo having billions before the wii, I knew I was right. Nintendo is a pretty smart company when it come to making money. Nintendo sells 32 million n64's and made tons of cash, 22 million gamecubes and made tons of cash, if Sony ever has a console that sells those numbers, stick a fork in em, they're done. Hell, 80 million ps3's and Sony couldn't make a dime. You do the math, the answers are and have been in front of you all along.



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Gaming is a small part of what Sony does. They've had to sell buildings to hide financial losses. They are trying to sell their PC business, their TV business has been destroyed by Samsung, their mobile destroyed by Apple & Samsung, Even their movies have been flopping. And even the gaming division isn't bringing in boatloads of $.

Nintendo has a huge dud with the Wii U, but lets be realistic here. Nintendo has not been downgraded to Junk status by any Credit authority, Isn't Nintendo's market cap higher than Sony's? (A corporate conglomerate!?) Sony has more debt than assets value, I'm pretty sure. Nintendo has no debt.

Take off the goggles. Sony is in very big trouble. 1.1 billion dollar loss after the holiday quarter? Really?! And some try to spin this as something minor? This is worst than the Sega fans back in the day. Sony may not fight to see another day in the console space. I think that is what PS Now is all about. Lets not even talk about Vita; Or lets? 90k for the entire month of December..That is beyond pathetic.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Justagamer said:

http://www.forbes.com/companies/nintendo/

over 11 billion is pretty good in my view. Look no one is saying Nintendo is performing great today, the question is which is in a worse position? And anyone who looks at this objectively and honestly will say one thing: Sony.

and you didn't have to tell me I was right about Nintendo having billions before the wii, I knew I was right. Nintendo is a pretty smart company when it come to making money. Nintendo sells 32 million n64's and made tons of cash, 22 million gamecubes and made tons of cash, if Sony ever has a console that sells those numbers, stick a fork in em, they're done. Hell, 80 million ps3's and Sony couldn't make a dime. You do the math, the answers are and have been in front of you all along.


So, which is it? $11B or $8.6B?

Anyway, you're missing the point - Nintendo have nowhere to go with their products. They're dead in the console space. 3DS sales peaked in 2012. And you're forgetting that during those N64 and GC times, they were making profits on every system sold. They're can't really do that now with the WiiU. Not to mention that way less WiiU games are being sold now than N64 or GC ones back then.

Unless Nintendo comes up with something radically different, they're on their way down.

And no one said that Sony didn't make a blunder with the PS3 but look at the PS4 - simple changes that turned their gaming business around.



Some of you don't seem to understand some basics. Sony might be fucked, but Not PS. Whatever happens to Sony PS will live on, its future is quite bright. If its sold or span of, PS will rock on and continue the PS4 domination.

They are selling of PC right ? and spun of TV right ? So PS is not going to just dissapear, especially since its profiting already 3 months after a freaking console launch.

I like Sony, but a Google Apple Samsung Hitachi owned PS i giggle about. But Im most excited about an independent SCE PS brand, they been covering Sony fuck ups for far to long. About time they get to invest their profits into them self's not flush em down Sonys crapper.



Lawlight said:
Justagamer said:

http://www.forbes.com/companies/nintendo/

over 11 billion is pretty good in my view. Look no one is saying Nintendo is performing great today, the question is which is in a worse position? And anyone who looks at this objectively and honestly will say one thing: Sony.

and you didn't have to tell me I was right about Nintendo having billions before the wii, I knew I was right. Nintendo is a pretty smart company when it come to making money. Nintendo sells 32 million n64's and made tons of cash, 22 million gamecubes and made tons of cash, if Sony ever has a console that sells those numbers, stick a fork in em, they're done. Hell, 80 million ps3's and Sony couldn't make a dime. You do the math, the answers are and have been in front of you all along.


So, which is it? $11B or $8.6B?

Anyway, you're missing the point - Nintendo have nowhere to go with their products. They're dead in the console space. 3DS sales peaked in 2012. And you're forgetting that during those N64 and GC times, they were making profits on every system sold. They're can't really do that now with the WiiU. Not to mention that way less WiiU games are being sold now than N64 or GC ones back then.

Unless Nintendo comes up with something radically different, they're on their way down.

And no one said that Sony didn't make a blunder with the PS3 but look at the PS4 - simple changes that turned their gaming business around.


I have no idea what you're talking about but, YOU are the one who came with 5.5 and 8.6 billion, I never said that. They have over 11 billion so that's the end of that.

 The 3ds sold the most this year (2013) than all other years. 2012 was around 14.1 million and 2013 was 14.9 million. So again, that's that. And I know you will come at me again with some off the wall numbers, so, whatever.. Multiple people have attempted to show you the way it REALLY is, and you come back with something.... Well, something else. Some made up numbers. 

So that's the end of this "debate". I've shown everything I've said to be true, and you still argue. So, have a good one! So whatever you're about to say, just look at my prior replies for the answer to that. /end debate.



Dark_Feanor said:
As a company as a whole, Sony is in a much dire situation, but their game division can survive if they don´t bleed it out to save other parts.

Nintendo can survive as a game publisher and developer, and handheld consoles for kids, but not as a tech company.


You do realize that most folks who own 3DS' right now, are teens and adults, right? Why do you think that Iwata (specifically commenting on the Japanese market), said in that investors meeting that NIntendo needed to do a better job or reaching (advertising) to kids with their new products? Sure, plenty of kids own 3DS, especially after Pokemon came out. But at the same time, most 3DS owners I know are 16 and older, well into their adult years even.