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ethomaz on 06 February 2014

Kasz216 said:

That's... exactly what i said, just phrased differently more or less.

The last few days actually count as next year in financial terms due to the week it ends in. (as in date year, not financial year.)

Production maked with 2013 shipment need to be posted in the last quarter... if they shipped the units in late week of December then it is last quarter shipment... after that it can reach the stores in early January and be sold in Jan 4th for example but the units are from December shipment.

My gusses is mininum of 1 weeks of December to maximum of 2 weeks of December reach the stores in Jamuary... so 4.4m to 4.6m shipped in 2013 if Sony is producing ~200k per week.... 1 week is if they used some air trasport to make the travel faster.



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Kasz216 on 06 February 2014
ethomaz said:

Kasz216 said:

That's... exactly what i said, just phrased differently more or less.

The last few days actually count as next year in financial terms due to the week it ends in. (as in date year, not financial year.)

Production maked with 2013 shipment need to be posted in the last quarter... if they shipped the units in late week of December then it is last quarter shipment... after that it can reach the stores in early January and be sold in Jan 4th for example but the units are from December shipment.

My gusses is mininum of 1 weeks of December to maximum of 2 weeks of December reach the stores in Jamuary... so 4.4m to 4.6m shipped in 2013 if Sony is producing ~200k per week.... 1 week is if they used some air trasport to make the travel faster.

Sold means shipped in financial reports.  As in sold to Sony's customers.  The stores.

You've been here long enough to know that.

And it didn't ship in a late week of December.

December 29th for example isn't he last week of december... it's the first week of January.

It would be marked as 2014 shipments.



ethomaz on 06 February 2014

Kasz216 said:

Sold means shipped in financial reports.  As in sold to Sony's customers.  The stores.

You've been here long enough to know that.

And it didn't ship in a late week of December.

December 29th for example isn't he last week of december... it's the first week of January.

Dec 29th is part of 2013 until Jan 4th... 2014 started in Jan 5.

But for financial results they use the right day for the end of the year (31th Dec).

4.2m is SOLD TO CONSUMERS at Dec 28th.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/140108a_e.html

*1 Number of retail sales to consumers is estimated by SCEI.

They shipped 7.8m consoles in 2013... nobody knows how much is PS4 or PS3. 



ethomaz on 06 February 2014

PS4 SOLD TO CONSUMERS: 4.2 million as Dec 28th
PS4 SOLD TO RETAIL (SHIPPED): ?

Xbone SOLD TO CONSUMERS: 3.0 million as Dec 31th
Xbone SOLD TO RETAIL (SHIPPED): 3.9m as Dec 31th

More clear impossible.



gooseWolf on 06 February 2014

Didnt they also forecast like a billion dollar lose



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Kasz216 on 06 February 2014
ethomaz said:

Kasz216 said:

Sold means shipped in financial reports.  As in sold to Sony's customers.  The stores.

You've been here long enough to know that.

And it didn't ship in a late week of December.

December 29th for example isn't he last week of december... it's the first week of January.

Dec 29th is part of 2013 until Jan 4th... 2014 started in Jan 5.

But for financial results they use the right day for the end of the year (31th Dec).

4.2m is SOLD TO CONSUMERS at Dec 28th.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/140108a_e.html

*1 Number of retail sales to consumers is estimated by SCEI.

They shipped 7.8m consoles in 2013... nobody knows how much is PS4 or PS3. 

You edited it.  Checking it out.



Torillian on 06 February 2014
Kasz216 said:

Sony's consumers are the stores.

Did you miss the whole Ioi thread about this?

They aren't going to change the meaning of sold in the middle of a financial document, and not tell anyone they did it. 

Think about it.


ioi's thread was on the difference between the terms sold and shipped when it comes to the big three hardware sales.  They will say sold which to us is shipped.  Nowhere have I ever heard of a company saying "sold to consumers" and that being taken as shipped.  Why does SCEI have to estimate how many sales they sold to retailers if they do that directly?  



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ethomaz on 06 February 2014

Kasz216 said:

You edited it.  Checking it out.

Edited?



Kasz216 on 06 February 2014
Torillian said:
Kasz216 said:

Sony's consumers are the stores.

Did you miss the whole Ioi thread about this?

They aren't going to change the meaning of sold in the middle of a financial document, and not tell anyone they did it. 

Think about it.


ioi's thread was on the difference between the terms sold and shipped when it comes to the big three hardware sales.  They will say sold which to us is shipped.  Nowhere have I ever heard of a company saying "sold to consumers" and that being taken as shipped.  Why does SCEI have to estimate how many sales they sold to retailers if they do that directly?  

A) I thought that happened that thread?  They asked the microsoft guy... and he said "yes to our consumers" or somethign like that.

B) Looking at it.  Guess I am wrong.  To be completely honest though, i put the blame on Sony's financial guys.  It doesn't make any sense to change definitions mid document, without actually mentioning that.

Since sales up until that point all = shipped hardware and shipped software + DLC.

 

It's either that or they just assumed they'd sold almost everything except what was in transit and rounded up.



Kasz216 on 06 February 2014
ethomaz said:

Kasz216 said:

You edited it.  Checking it out.

Edited?

Link wasn't there when i read it, only saw it after i replied.