Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Thats shipped not sold. Thats a Difference. Nintendo sold alot of their 3ds that they overshipped last holiday, but i guess your going to ignore that. How about pokemon? Sold 11.61mil by dec 31st. Will you go with that number in your bet? So, you're happy to count shipped numbers for Pokemon but can't do the same for the 3DS? I guess you cherry pick the numbers that favour your argument.

lmfao, i love your twist! did you really just use my words against me? Really? I never stated that. I dont count ship as sold, pokemon XY sold around 10.8mil-11mil (maybe a little more) in its first year(meaning its undertracked here). I dont use the 11.61mil as sold cuz its not sold to consumers but to retailers. Now then im stating to you, the guy who is really cherry picking that are you counting the 11.61mil for your bet? Just answer the question. Stop trying to avoid it already

zorg1000 said: Euphoria14 said: Still lacks perspective.   2007 was before smartphones took a gigantic bite out of the handheld market, which explains the lower handheld sales. 2007 also included Japan sales for MS and Sony while these 2014 do not. Outside factors dont change the fact that sales have drastically declined As for Sony, PS3 wasnt available in Europe yet which is much bigger than Japan.

Good call on EU for PS3, I completely forgot about that.

 

Still, I don't think the home console market is that much worse. I believe most of this decline is due to the rise of smartphone gaming, which had a big effect on dedicated gaming handheld sales.

 

If we factor tablets, pc and smartphones into the equation is the gaming industry really that much worse than in 2007? I know people like to ignore tablets and smartphones so we don't usually get those factored into discussions here.

Everything bad except PS4.

Xb one just over 50% of PS4 has got to be a worry. When PS4 releases in Japan, and when Xb one gets only a few thousand sales per week from the 2nd tier markets it's possible that PS4 will regularly be 2:1 vs. Xb one.

Wii U being

tbone51 said: Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Thats shipped not sold. Thats a Difference. Nintendo sold alot of their 3ds that they overshipped last holiday, but i guess your going to ignore that. How about pokemon? Sold 11.61mil by dec 31st. Will you go with that number in your bet? So, you're happy to count shipped numbers for Pokemon but can't do the same for the 3DS? I guess you cherry pick the numbers that favour your argument. lmfao, i love your twist! did you really just use my words against me? Really? I never stated that. I dont count ship as sold, pokemon XY sold around 10.8mil-11mil (maybe a little more) in its first year(meaning its undertracked here). I dont use the 11.61mil as sold cuz its not sold to consumers but to retailers. Now then im stating to you, the guy who is really cherry picking that are you counting the 11.61mil for your bet? Just answer the question. Stop trying to avoid it already

Why are you assuming that Pokemon is undertracked here? Btw, how much do you think the 3DS sold in 2013?

Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Thats shipped not sold. Thats a Difference. Nintendo sold alot of their 3ds that they overshipped last holiday, but i guess your going to ignore that. How about pokemon? Sold 11.61mil by dec 31st. Will you go with that number in your bet? So, you're happy to count shipped numbers for Pokemon but can't do the same for the 3DS? I guess you cherry pick the numbers that favour your argument. lmfao, i love your twist! did you really just use my words against me? Really? I never stated that. I dont count ship as sold, pokemon XY sold around 10.8mil-11mil (maybe a little more) in its first year(meaning its undertracked here). I dont use the 11.61mil as sold cuz its not sold to consumers but to retailers. Now then im stating to you, the guy who is really cherry picking that are you counting the 11.61mil for your bet? Just answer the question. Stop trying to avoid it already Why are you assuming that Pokemon is undertracked here? Btw, how much do you think the 3DS sold in 2013?

Pokemon XY was undertracked here, it was adjusted last week up by about 700k. So that means it was undertracked (mostly in Europe+ Rest of the World) and still is undertracked. 

Anyway beside it being undertracked still, you never answered my question, can you not avoid it pls and just answer it?

tbone51 said: Pokemon XY was undertracked here, it was adjusted last week up by about 700k. So that means it was undertracked (mostly in Europe+ Rest of the World) and still is undertracked.  Anyway beside it being undertracked still, you never answered my question, can you not avoid it pls and just answer it?

Yes, we can avoid talking about. Let us get back on topic about WW HW sales and how the PS4 is running away with it and how the 3DS declined YoY following a somewhat ok 2013.

Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Pokemon XY was undertracked here, it was adjusted last week up by about 700k. So that means it was undertracked (mostly in Europe+ Rest of the World) and still is undertracked.  Anyway beside it being undertracked still, you never answered my question, can you not avoid it pls and just answer it? Yes, we can avoid talking about. Let us get back on topic about WW HW sales and how the PS4 is running away with it and how the 3DS declined YoY following a somewhat ok 2013.

lmao, your really going to avoid the question? Thats cute, your going to use the "lets be on topic" argument to avoid a question you cant answer Your just showing everybody here that your word means nothing... again. I like how you cut out the top post too. Your very slick but im not that dumb to figure out wat your doing.

tbone51 said: Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Pokemon XY was undertracked here, it was adjusted last week up by about 700k. So that means it was undertracked (mostly in Europe+ Rest of the World) and still is undertracked.  Anyway beside it being undertracked still, you never answered my question, can you not avoid it pls and just answer it? Yes, we can avoid talking about. Let us get back on topic about WW HW sales and how the PS4 is running away with it and how the 3DS declined YoY following a somewhat ok 2013. lmao, your really going to avoid the question? Thats cute, your going to use the "lets be on topic" argument to avoid a question you cant answer Your just showing everybody here that your word means nothing... again. I like how you cut out the top post too. Your very slick but im not that dumb to figure out wat your doing.

What question?

Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Pokemon XY was undertracked here, it was adjusted last week up by about 700k. So that means it was undertracked (mostly in Europe+ Rest of the World) and still is undertracked.  Anyway beside it being undertracked still, you never answered my question, can you not avoid it pls and just answer it? Yes, we can avoid talking about. Let us get back on topic about WW HW sales and how the PS4 is running away with it and how the 3DS declined YoY following a somewhat ok 2013. lmao, your really going to avoid the question? Thats cute, your going to use the "lets be on topic" argument to avoid a question you cant answer Your just showing everybody here that your word means nothing... again. I like how you cut out the top post too. Your very slick but im not that dumb to figure out wat your doing. What question?

 Sold 11.61mil by dec 31st. Will you go with that number in your bet? Its "Official Numbers" afterall.

dat ps4 has eaten 3ds