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bucky1965 on 31 January 2014
bubblegamer said:
It was a stupid move from Microsoft. They could just ask for xbox 360's.

Trade in a product they're still making money off of?



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Mummelmann on 31 January 2014
bucky1965 said:
Mummelmann said:
bucky1965 said:
Mummelmann said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Glad that isn't a rule in the United States.


May I ask why? How does it benefit you as a consumer that the biggest companies are left alone to rampage through massive, cynical advertising due to a lack of rules of conduct and competition premises? Competiton is a good thing for consumers and the market in general.

Because as a consumer it gives you choices.

Re-read the bolded and then read your response again. Huge conglomerates dominating a market yields a very specific and observable lack of choice for the consumer, this is more or less markets and trade 101.

The provider(s) of goods and/or services decide(s) your choices, fewer acting competitors in any given market = less choice for the consumer. You're going to have to expand on your reasoning here because I really can't follow your logic here at all.


I should have been more specific. I was referring to ms offering rebates to ps3  owners. Nothing wrong with it. No different than trading your cell phone in for a different make or model. Competitor trade ins aren't something new.It gives you more choices as a consumer.


In a way, perhaps. My main issue was with the notion that large companies roaming uncontested in a potentially hostile market environment was somehow good for consumers though. I have nothing against free markets, too many restrictions also kill opportunity and variety, but I don't believe that free market should equal hostile market. And with no laws regulating conduct in market presentation, or more specifically; the negative presentation of the competition in your own advertisement, a free market does have a great chance of becoming hostile and thus also consumer hostile in the long term.



HylianSwordsman on 31 January 2014
Somini said:
J_Allard said:
We don't have laws like that in the US and yet, the airwaves aren't full of companies slinging mud at one another. This is extremely tame too.

I remember Microsoft calling iPhone fans and later the Samsung ones sheep for buying the new devices, which is not incorrect lol.

 

But maybe that's because of the sue culture you guys have got going on over there. You can't sue here, well it's veryy hard.


You can't sue in Europe? Tell that to Bayer. They're suing the whole damn European Union last I knew, just because they banned a pesticide believed to be threatening bees with extinction. US does have a more unhealthy obsession with suing though, to be sure.



Mummelmann on 31 January 2014
HylianSwordsman said:
Somini said:
J_Allard said:
We don't have laws like that in the US and yet, the airwaves aren't full of companies slinging mud at one another. This is extremely tame too.

I remember Microsoft calling iPhone fans and later the Samsung ones sheep for buying the new devices, which is not incorrect lol.

 

But maybe that's because of the sue culture you guys have got going on over there. You can't sue here, well it's veryy hard.


You can't sue in Europe? Tell that to Bayer. They're suing the whole damn European Union last I knew, just because they banned a pesticide believed to be threatening bees with extinction. US does have a more unhealthy obsession with suing though, to be sure.

You can sue people in Europe but not simply on the grounds that your neighbour played music you don't like or that someone farted in the fruit section when you went shopping. It is ridiculously easy to file for a lawsuit in the US, most of the ludicrous cases get tossed for sure but the fact that they paperwork can even be issued is detrimental to any modern justice system and it takes time and resources away from actual cases that merit actual work. Like people who falsely accuse someone of rape and start the whole circus; the courts should not be an easily accessible arena for personal drama or childish impulse or the perpetual and powerful yearning for quick cash.



mutantsushi on 31 January 2014
bucky1965 said:
bubblegamer said:
It was a stupid move from Microsoft. They could just ask for xbox 360's.

Trade in a product they're still making money off of?

No reason that MS couldn't refurb them and sell them on to other customers.



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Cthulhu on 31 January 2014

Not even MS wants a WiiU



bucky1965 on 31 January 2014
Mummelmann said:
bucky1965 said:
Mummelmann said:
bucky1965 said:
Mummelmann said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Glad that isn't a rule in the United States.


May I ask why? How does it benefit you as a consumer that the biggest companies are left alone to rampage through massive, cynical advertising due to a lack of rules of conduct and competition premises? Competiton is a good thing for consumers and the market in general.

Because as a consumer it gives you choices.

Re-read the bolded and then read your response again. Huge conglomerates dominating a market yields a very specific and observable lack of choice for the consumer, this is more or less markets and trade 101.

The provider(s) of goods and/or services decide(s) your choices, fewer acting competitors in any given market = less choice for the consumer. You're going to have to expand on your reasoning here because I really can't follow your logic here at all.


I should have been more specific. I was referring to ms offering rebates to ps3  owners. Nothing wrong with it. No different than trading your cell phone in for a different make or model. Competitor trade ins aren't something new.It gives you more choices as a consumer.


In a way, perhaps. My main issue was with the notion that large companies roaming uncontested in a potentially hostile market environment was somehow good for consumers though. I have nothing against free markets, too many restrictions also kill opportunity and variety, but I don't believe that free market should equal hostile market. And with no laws regulating conduct in market presentation, or more specifically; the negative presentation of the competition in your own advertisement, a free market does have a great chance of becoming hostile and thus also consumer hostile in the long term.


Marketing is hostile whether outwardly or subtly. You can't take a product,put a price tag on it, put it on as shelf and expect people to buy it. Everybody's trying to convince you their products are the best. Many people question the tactics used. But by the same token many people believe the marketing hype, ie; the corporate sheep.



deadly2choke on 31 January 2014
Somini said:
J_Allard said:
We don't have laws like that in the US and yet, the airwaves aren't full of companies slinging mud at one another. This is extremely tame too.

I remember Microsoft calling iPhone fans and later the Samsung ones sheep for buying the new devices, which is not incorrect lol.

 

But maybe that's because of the sue culture you guys have got going on over there. You can't sue here, well it's veryy hard.

this is even worse:

http://www.scroogled.com/Home

 



Bet with nobelteam360

Dark_Feanor on 31 January 2014

Sony is in so bad financial shape that they have to rely on idle Gafers that have anything better to do than worshiping their decaing brand.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan



Pemalite on 31 January 2014
bubblegamer said:
It was a stupid move from Microsoft. They could just ask for xbox 360's.


They don't wan't our Xbox 360's. They RROD to much.  :(




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