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Forums - Gaming - Xbox One: 1080p/60fps Not Happening Anytime Soon, Not Enough Power But Tools Will Improve

fallen on 30 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
fallen said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Zappykins said:
Xen said:
Zappykins said:
Ugh, seriously? They already confirmed Halo 5 or whatever is 1080p60. Plus Forza and other games do it.

The GPU's between the two really aren't that different. Both are underpowered as they should have been 2.5 Tflops, but even then isn't that much of a change - as you need to double power for humans to really notice.

Stop spreading FUD!

Yeah... the PS4's GPU is just ~50% more powerful, not that big a diffrence...

Stop spreading FUD!

Then why is the best looking game for the new gen a 2nd party game on the Xbox One?

Not sure what your point is, for one that's wrong. Also, tech is tech it's not magic the ps4 is considerably more powerfull, nearly every game has looked and ran better on ps4 for a reason. TEchnology is measureable, one os a lot more powerfull, nothing you say will ever change that.,


Ehh, in systems as complex as these me or you cant actually know, and there are millions of small variables that can overcme the large surface specs we know. Only somebody intimately involved in programming on both really knows.

Anyways, PS3 was inferior to 360 all last gen in multiplats, and PS2 way below Xbox before that, so big deal really. It's about time Sony finally got a turn I guess. People are just making a way bigger deal out of it now since Sony has the edge this time. We didn't have 500 page threads every time a PS3 multiplat was markedly inferior last gen. We swept it under the rug.

Not the ps3- 360 garbage. 360 had a better gpu, better memorty ps3 had cell, they were close. The gap is way bigger, ps4 gpu is way better, better memory, easier to code for.  same architecture with ps4 having every advantage.  This has been saiud numerous times yopu keep ignoring it, the fact people are still in denial about the power gap is hilarious.

 

x1 has no cell or power to catch up like ps3 did.

 

For someone who says we don't need these discussion you create enough threads and post an awfull lot about it. Do you work on MS pr team lol.

I actually agree they were closer than PS4/X1. They were probably basically equal, when the PS3 was programmed with much effort.

It doesn't matter though which was more powerful, or that they were basically even, the FACT is PS3 was inferior on most multiplats, just like X1 is now.



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vivster on 30 January 2014
errorpwns said:
It's pathetic how Sonyfanboys are suddenly gloating about 1080p 60fps. Not long ago they were whining to PC users about how 1080p is useless from a certain distance and how there is no difference between 30 and 60fps. What happened?

What happened? Those arguments went to the xboxfanboy side^^



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FlamingWeazel on 30 January 2014
fallen said:
FlamingWeazel said:
fallen said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Zappykins said:
Xen said:
Zappykins said:
Ugh, seriously? They already confirmed Halo 5 or whatever is 1080p60. Plus Forza and other games do it.

The GPU's between the two really aren't that different. Both are underpowered as they should have been 2.5 Tflops, but even then isn't that much of a change - as you need to double power for humans to really notice.

Stop spreading FUD!

Yeah... the PS4's GPU is just ~50% more powerful, not that big a diffrence...

Stop spreading FUD!

Then why is the best looking game for the new gen a 2nd party game on the Xbox One?

Not sure what your point is, for one that's wrong. Also, tech is tech it's not magic the ps4 is considerably more powerfull, nearly every game has looked and ran better on ps4 for a reason. TEchnology is measureable, one os a lot more powerfull, nothing you say will ever change that.,


Ehh, in systems as complex as these me or you cant actually know, and there are millions of small variables that can overcme the large surface specs we know. Only somebody intimately involved in programming on both really knows.

Anyways, PS3 was inferior to 360 all last gen in multiplats, and PS2 way below Xbox before that, so big deal really. It's about time Sony finally got a turn I guess. People are just making a way bigger deal out of it now since Sony has the edge this time. We didn't have 500 page threads every time a PS3 multiplat was markedly inferior last gen. We swept it under the rug.

Not the ps3- 360 garbage. 360 had a better gpu, better memorty ps3 had cell, they were close. The gap is way bigger, ps4 gpu is way better, better memory, easier to code for.  same architecture with ps4 having every advantage.  This has been saiud numerous times yopu keep ignoring it, the fact people are still in denial about the power gap is hilarious.

 

x1 has no cell or power to catch up like ps3 did.

 

For someone who says we don't need these discussion you create enough threads and post an awfull lot about it. Do you work on MS pr team lol.

I actually agree they were closer than PS4/X1. They were probably basically equal, when the PS3 was programmed with much effort.

It doesn't matter though which was more powerful, or that they were basically even, the FACT is PS3 was inferior on most multiplats, just like X1 is now.

Yeah but that changed over time and the gap was not as big. Ps4 is also cheaper to boot.



Dark_Feanor on 30 January 2014

Are we back at octuber?

Those same old guys are telling the same old shit, as if they knew anything better to say. The same NeoGaf trinity.

the hell the UI had anything to do with native resolution and framerate?

I´m sick and tired of hearing about 1080p, especialy from people who knows nothing about making game and art.

There are so many things that make a game great and we are being condemed to talk about one of the least important points.

Does it bother any one here that 90% of past generation GOTY weren´t even 720p. Were people talking about resolution on the time Halo 3, Mass Effect, GTA 4, Uncharted 1 and 2 were all sub HD and none of those games ever get close to be 60fps?

That is a pathetic discution that makes me feel ashamed of this "jornalism".



FlamingWeazel on 30 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
Are we back at octuber?

Those same old guys are telling the same old shit, as if they knew anything better to say. The same NeoGaf trinity.

the hell the UI had anything to do with native resolution and framerate?

I´m sick and tired of hearing about 1080p, especialy from people who knows nothing about making game and art.

There are so many things that make a game great and we are being condemed to talk about one of the least important points.

Does it bother any one here that 90% of past generation GOTY weren´t even 720p. Were people talking about resolution on the time Halo 3, Mass Effect, GTA 4, Uncharted 1 and 2 were all sub HD and none of those games ever get close to be 60fps?

That is a pathetic discution that makes me feel ashamed of this "jornalism".

Last gen games were 720P because it was LAST GEN LOL. If it;s pathetic why are you commenting on it? Performance, graphics, tech is important in gaming whether you think so or not.



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fallen on 30 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
fallen said:


I dont need an analysis, my own eyes tell me.

 

What does that even mean BTW? DF says Forza 5 looks great.

Forza 5>>>>>>Drive Club graphics.


LOL. You really are in fantasy land. DF says it looks great comapred to last gen..the game is underwhelimng for next gne with weak lighting, no weather, day/night low res textures, lack od distance detail. See the drive club videos looks miles better.

So uncharted graphics sucks cause it has no day.night cycle?  You do realize Uncharted has completely non-dynamic baked lighting right? Just like the vast majority of games...

 

You're just moving the goalposts and making a big deal out of whatever DC has. Most games dont have day/night. DC also is only 30 FPS whereas Forza is 60.

 

Textures is just another thing anybody can say are bad. "Drive Club textures are bad".

 



curl-6 on 30 January 2014
errorpwns said:
It's pathetic how Sonyfanboys are suddenly gloating about 1080p 60fps. Not long ago they were whining to PC users about how 1080p is useless from a certain distance and how there is no difference between 30 and 60fps. What happened?

Same thing that happened between PS2 ("Who cares if the graphics are inferior, it's all about the gameplay!") to the PS3. ("Teh powa of teh C3LL!!!1!")

If PS5 is weaker than Xbox Two it will be back to "gameplay is more important than graphics!"

I'm not just singling out Sony zealots either. Regardless of which flag they pledge allegiance to, fanboys will always change their tune to whatever benefits their company/console of choice at that point in time.



FlamingWeazel on 30 January 2014
fallen said:
FlamingWeazel said:
fallen said:


I dont need an analysis, my own eyes tell me.

 

What does that even mean BTW? DF says Forza 5 looks great.

Forza 5>>>>>>Drive Club graphics.


LOL. You really are in fantasy land. DF says it looks great comapred to last gen..the game is underwhelimng for next gne with weak lighting, no weather, day/night low res textures, lack od distance detail. See the drive club videos looks miles better.

So uncharted graphics sucks cause it has no day.night cycle?  You do realize Uncharted has completely non-dynamic baked lighting right? Just like the vast majority of games...

 

You're just moving the goalposts and making a big deal out of whatever DC has. Most games dont have day/night. DC also is only 30 FPS whereas Forza is 60.

 

Textures is just another thing anybody can say are bad. "Drive Club textures are bad".

 

Uncharted is LAST GEN. LMAO. Cannot wait for DF analysis of DCcompared to forza, i'll remember this conversation.Forza ia one of the weakest looking next gen ttiles.



Puppyroach on 30 January 2014

So the games already released at 1080p, 60fps are illusions? :)



Dark_Feanor on 30 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
Dark_Feanor said:
Are we back at octuber?

Those same old guys are telling the same old shit, as if they knew anything better to say. The same NeoGaf trinity.

the hell the UI had anything to do with native resolution and framerate?

I´m sick and tired of hearing about 1080p, especialy from people who knows nothing about making game and art.

There are so many things that make a game great and we are being condemed to talk about one of the least important points.

Does it bother any one here that 90% of past generation GOTY weren´t even 720p. Were people talking about resolution on the time Halo 3, Mass Effect, GTA 4, Uncharted 1 and 2 were all sub HD and none of those games ever get close to be 60fps?

That is a pathetic discution that makes me feel ashamed of this "jornalism".

Last gen games were 720P because it was LAST GEN LOL. If it;s pathetic why are you commenting on it? Performance, graphics, tech is important in gaming whether you think so or not.


They were not even 720p, and all Wii games where 480p.

Please take a time to read and make some research.