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Shadow1980 said:
Looks like the Wii U will settle in at around double its 2013 baseline in the U.S. and about 35% higher in Europe. Still down YoY so far for January in Japan, though. It'll be an interesting 2014 for the system. Let's see if DKC and Mario Kart can boost it even further. The Wii U might not be doing great, but is showing signs of life.

The 3DS is also up considerably over this time last year in both America and Europe, though like the Wii U it's down in Japan. While there's no indication that it's peaked yet in America and Europe, it may have already in Japan (the DS did peak earlier in Japan than it did in America and Europe). However, given that it actually sold better in September and October combined than it did in November and December combined. While December was still its best month in Japan last year, it was down considerably from Dec. 2012. Was that caused by people buying the 3DS in September and October because of Pokemon X/Y, and was that weak December the cause of a so far sub-par January? Could it rebound later this year and propel the average baseline to end up at or above the 2013 baseline? There's only one way to know, and that's to wait.

As for the XBO's European sales in launch-aligned terms it's doing better than the 360 in LTD sales but it looks like it's settling into a significantly lower baseline. Without a year-long head start to benefit it, with its price going against it, and with the UK looking like they're doing a 180 in terms of PS vs. Xbox preference, the XBO might struggle against the PS4 in the region. The UK is still the best country for Xbox in the region, with the country contributing roughly a third of all 360 sales to date and about half of XBO sales so far, but that looks like it doesn't mean anything good for the brand right now. However, these are early sales, so take them with a grain of salt. In 2008 the 360 sold twice what it did in 2007, with the system doubling its LTD sales in just that one year. There's no reason to expect the XBO will keep doing current numbers, especially considering it's not yet out in all of Europe yet (it's not available in Portugal, Benelux, Scandinavia, and Eastern Europe).

The XBO is still doing well in America for the time being and is still performing better than the 360, and it's neck and neck between it and the PS4. However, Xbox is a heavily regional brand and like its predecessors the majority of XBO sales are in the U.S. Nearly two-thirds of Xbox and over half of all 360 sales were in the U.S., and so far about two-thirds of XBO sales are in the U.S. as well.

The PS4 is still up considerably in launch aligned terms in both Europe and the U.S., and it's still supply-limited in the latter. I have a feeling that, at least in the short term, when it is no longer constrained by supply it will take a solid lead. We also still have the Japanese launch to look forward to in several weeks, and it'll be interesting to see if it can outperform its predecessor in its native land. I think it has a good shot at it due to decreased competition from Nintendo, but Japan can be even more unpredictable than America and Europe. We'll have to wait and see.

3 weeks of data is not enough to draw that conclusion.  By your own standards that's a premature prediction.  Though it is a reasonable expectation on the back of a price cut and better game library, so let's hope Wii U meets expectations for it's own sake.

As for those calling for wider roll out of Xb one, the limitation hasn't been supply ever since Europe underwhelmed in sales back in December. The limitation is language localisation of that increasingly obvious millstone arounf Xb one's neck: Kinect. If Kinect wasn't packed in with Xb one with its demand for voice recognition in so many languages MS probably would be in at least 30 countries by now, and possibly more. Kinect is such a drag on Xb one, and there's nothing about it that's core to the functionality of Xb one. It's somewhat labour saving with some features, but it's not essential.



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Ajax said:
In Norway yesterday in Alesund, no PS4.

In Holland no PS4 until next month.

Actually, the guy in gamestop in Norway said that he doesnt expect the X1 to launch there before summer.

If its true that there are so many consoles waiting in the stores in NA, then they maybe should accelerate the launch in the rest of europe.


May I ask why you called a gamestop in Alesund? Its a small town and wouldn't Oslo or Bergen be a better bet? I used to live in Norway :P.



 

This just makes me sad.

Call of Duty Ghosts - 120k
Battlefield 4 - 62 k
NBA 2K14 - 60k
GTA V - 51 K
Pokemon - 22k
SM3DW - 14k
Dead Rising 3 - 11k
Zelda ALBW - 9k
Killzone - 9k

Call of Duty is on it's 10th release and outsells Mario,Zelda,Killzone,Dead Rising,Pokemon, and GTA combined. Who the f**k are these people.



MS needs to figure out a new strategy quick.



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Puppyroach said:
MS has the stock for X1, so why not release in more countries!?!? Hade the been available in some 40+ countries now, they would probably pull equal numbers to PS4, although those numbers in themselves aren´t very impressive considering the launch.

The remaining countries it has yet to launch in that the PS4 did launch in are all rather small and don't make up a very large portion of sales at all. No way in hell would the X1 be even with the PS4.



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enditall727 said:
Soleron said:

How are those PS4 sales in a historical context? (Just a rough good or bad?)

Wii U makes anything look good.


In 2008 when the PS3 was 399$ and available in both America and Europe, it did like 163k the same time in its 3rd week of January. It also seen a decrease each week in sales after the holidays until after its 3rd week of January.

 

It's a bit unfair because PS3 was also released in japan at the time and it had over a years worth of games in its library at the time but it's the best comparison that can be made. PS4 is doing very good and will level right here at around 145-150k each week from here on out(without Japan)

PS3 had more games at the time.  If we look launches aligned:

13th Jan 2007

PS3 89,482

14th Jan 2006

X360 146,519

PS4 is the new 360.  XB1 is the new PS3.



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Shadow1980 said:
Looks like the Wii U will settle in at around double its 2013 baseline in the U.S. and about 35% higher in Europe. Still down YoY so far for January in Japan, though. It'll be an interesting 2014 for the system. Let's see if DKC and Mario Kart can boost it even further. The Wii U might not be doing great, but is showing signs of life.

Based on VGC counting worldwide, the Wii U is trending to hit ~200K this January while it did 279K last January.

Even if we count an extra week to make it 5 weeks in January, it going to be ~250K.  Overall then looking down not up.



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ICStats said:
enditall727 said:
Soleron said:

How are those PS4 sales in a historical context? (Just a rough good or bad?)

Wii U makes anything look good.


In 2008 when the PS3 was 399$ and available in both America and Europe, it did like 163k the same time in its 3rd week of January. It also seen a decrease each week in sales after the holidays until after its 3rd week of January.

 

It's a bit unfair because PS3 was also released in japan at the time and it had over a years worth of games in its library at the time but it's the best comparison that can be made. PS4 is doing very good and will level right here at around 145-150k each week from here on out(without Japan)

PS3 had more games at the time.  If we look launches aligned:

13th Jan 2007

PS3 89,482

14th Jan 2006

X360 146,519

PS4 is the new 360.  XB1 is the new PS3.

PS3 wasn't out  in Europe at the time and it was 499$

 

PS4 is399$ so the best  and most accurate comparison was to compare it in 08



ICStats said:
Shadow1980 said:
Looks like the Wii U will settle in at around double its 2013 baseline in the U.S. and about 35% higher in Europe. Still down YoY so far for January in Japan, though. It'll be an interesting 2014 for the system. Let's see if DKC and Mario Kart can boost it even further. The Wii U might not be doing great, but is showing signs of life.

How do you figure?  Based on VGC counting, the Wii U is trending to hit ~200K this January while it did 279K last January.

Week ending January 12th 2013-48,387

Week ending January 19th 2013-37,057

Total-85,444

Week ending January 11th 2014-58,818

Week ending January 18th 2014-47,379

Total-106,197

I dont know where hes coming up with double but for the baseline does appear to be higher this year.



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Puppyroach said:
MS has the stock for X1, so why not release in more countries!?!? Hade the been available in some 40+ countries now, they would probably pull equal numbers to PS4, although those numbers in themselves aren´t very impressive considering the launch.

Lol. How do you figue that? The only countries where Xb one is selling that's pulling same numbers as PS4 is North America. In all the other 10 or so markets PS4 is well ahead each week. And in effect Xb one is selling in countries where PS4 isn't. Like here sales of PS4 have been effectively zero since mid-december and there's no new supply until Feb. Whereas Xb one is in plentiful stock.

This week, if Xb one had been available in 40+ markets since before Xmas it might have sold >100K total, but it wouldn't have sold 150K. You clearly overestimate the size of most markets for consoles. Xb one's 13 current markets are really its most important markets by a long way. 



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