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VitroBahllee on 28 January 2014
F0X said:
VitroBahllee said:
F0X said:
VitroBahllee said:
I wonder if you would argue the same points if you didn't happen to like the art style. Frankly, the people who prefer the whimsical art styles are in a vocal minority - definitely less people, but more passionate. That doesn't make them 'right' about their preferences. It doesn't make those preferences the best possible choice for keeping Zelda a top series appealing to the most people.


Meaningless. I wonder if you would argue the same points if you liked the art style. And what is this notion of being "right" about art style preferences? It's a subject with much more room for subjective judgement than most, to begin with. 

"It doesn't make those preferences the best possible choice for keeping Zelda a top series appealing to the most people. "

This is what I'm getting at, but my view extends to a much broader scale.

To act like the correlation between 'regular' looking Zelda games and high sales is spurious is willful blindness, at best.


Eh, to me that doesn't seem much worse than acting like it's absolute truth. Instead, I accept it as a possible factor. Is that not rational? I desire more evidence. Something other than sales numbers would be nice. Preferably something that I can't immediately pick at.

By the way, there are quite a few Mario games with differing art styles. :P The difference are generally smaller than Zelda, though, because Mario games typically have strong tonal similarites. I believe that is what you mean by a "regular-looking" Mario game.

"To ascribe the lower sales of the stranger looking (i.e. 'style-having') games to other issues such as controller add ons and install base is reaching because there is a different supposed 'factor' involved for each game. They all have two things in common. One is the differing art style. The other is their lower comparitive sales."

How about market climate? Evolving gamer tastes? The other subjectivive and objetive qualities of either game? Considering other possibilities is not reaching-it's being thorough with analysis, and not jumping to lazy conclusions. But it doesn't matter. I don't have the time or will to fully research all of this. That's what Nintendo is supposed to do. So, I play it safe with my viewpoints while criticizing what I do and do not like.


Fair enough, and I appreciate your perspective. But it just seems like you hear a lot of people grumbling loudly online when 'artistic' styles are shown off, and people cheering loudly when 'traditional' styles are shown off... and the sales tend to match th grumbling/cheering.



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Uabit on 28 January 2014

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F0X on 28 January 2014
VitroBahllee said:
F0X said:


Eh, to me that doesn't seem much worse than acting like it's absolute truth. Instead, I accept it as a possible factor. Is that not rational? I desire more evidence. Something other than sales numbers would be nice. Preferably something that I can't immediately pick at.

By the way, there are quite a few Mario games with differing art styles. :P The difference are generally smaller than Zelda, though, because Mario games typically have strong tonal similarites. I believe that is what you mean by a "regular-looking" Mario game.

"To ascribe the lower sales of the stranger looking (i.e. 'style-having') games to other issues such as controller add ons and install base is reaching because there is a different supposed 'factor' involved for each game. They all have two things in common. One is the differing art style. The other is their lower comparitive sales."

How about market climate? Evolving gamer tastes? The other subjectivive and objetive qualities of either game? Considering other possibilities is not reaching-it's being thorough with analysis, and not jumping to lazy conclusions. But it doesn't matter. I don't have the time or will to fully research all of this. That's what Nintendo is supposed to do. So, I play it safe with my viewpoints while criticizing what I do and do not like.


Fair enough, and I appreciate your perspective. But it just seems like you hear a lot of people grumbling loudly online when 'artistic' styles are shown off, and people cheering loudly when 'traditional' styles are shown off... and the sales tend to match th grumbling/cheering.


Well, I'm not going to tell you to stop believing it. I see that happen sometimes. And some other times, those people appered to me as the "vocal minority". But I most likely haven't had the same experience as you, so it's only natural that we'd have a slightly differing view.

Man, I haven't had a good discussion like this on VGC since... mid-2012, I think. Thank you for this opportunity. ;)



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DevilRising on 28 January 2014
curl-6 said:
So far, Monolith Soft's X is about the only Wii U game that looks as impressive as the E3 2011 Zelda demo.

Why can't Nintendo get it through their thick skulls that that demo is what gamers want, not some gaudy artsy fluff...

Again..........Mario 3D World? Game looks pretty damn good. And that's just scratching the surface.



curl-6 on 28 January 2014
spemanig said:

WRONG AGAIN!!! TUROK 2!!! Turok 2 is realistic fantasy on the N64 as I've already stated numerous times!!! Your claim is a falacy, as has already been proven.

Turok 2 doesn't look relaistic, not by a long shot. The N64 is incapable of producing realistic graphics.



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curl-6 on 28 January 2014
DevilRising said:
curl-6 said:
So far, Monolith Soft's X is about the only Wii U game that looks as impressive as the E3 2011 Zelda demo.

Why can't Nintendo get it through their thick skulls that that demo is what gamers want, not some gaudy artsy fluff...

Again..........Mario 3D World? Game looks pretty damn good. And that's just scratching the surface.

3D World looks gorgeous, but its not exactly pushing the limits of the system, as it takes place in relatively small areas with simple textures and geometry.



prayformojo on 28 January 2014

It'll probably be cell shaded or some other nonsense. I have been waiting for a Zelda like we saw in 2011 all my life, but it won't happen. Doesn't mean the game will suck, just that the presentation won't be what we want it to be.



Mystro-Sama on 28 January 2014
spemanig said:
Mystro-Sama said:
spemanig said:

Aonuma has already confirmed that it won't look like this at all. He already said not to expect the tech demo, then he say he won't make this Zelda realistic, then he said he wants to surprise gamers with the new artstyle. (like what he did with Wind Waker?) He likes color. Get the barf bag ready.

 

Why would they make a realistic tech demo just to scrap it a year later and start from scratch? Not only would that screw with their entire schedule but it'd would piss off everyone looking forward to this game.


You clearly don't understand what a teck demo is. All that tech demo did was take assets from twilight princess and remodeled them for the Wii U's hardware. It has literally nothing to do with the Wii U Zelda. It's not a waste of anything because they are completely separate projects. It's not even that much work. All they did was model one isolated room and three animated models which where predetermined. You don't build a game off of something like that. When was the last time any Zelda tech demo was indicative of the following game. I'll wait.

Let's not talk about things we don't understand.

 

First of all, chill out. You're getting a little too passionate about this. And secondly he didn't say it was going to be artistic. He said it would be between ultra realistic and artistic. The fact that he said it wont be "ultra" realistic means it would be closer to realistic than artsy.



Hynad on 28 January 2014

People say the games always end up looking better than their respective console tech demo.

But I've always felt the Zelda tech demo for the gamecube looked better the actual games.



VitroBahllee on 28 January 2014
prayformojo said:
It'll probably be cell shaded or some other nonsense. I have been waiting for a Zelda like we saw in 2011 all my life, but it won't happen. Doesn't mean the game will suck, just that the presentation won't be what we want it to be.


Totally well put. I think the game's quality isn't dependent on the graphic style being what I want, but I would love something along the lines of th tech demo.