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Madword on 22 January 2014
sales2099 said:

Nothing to do with anything? KZ is the only semi-high rated exclusive. Exclusives drive sales. I think drawing the conclusion that the PS4 is sold on trendiness, brand, and price and not the games is a valid theory.

Digital games are not system sellers, I do agree they should count though, but funny how your people's stance on digital games counting has changed since last gen....

Why is this such a big deal for you... crazy... just let it go ....

Exclusives are not the only thing that drives sales, sorry but it isnt. I know at least 4 people who were Xbox users before and purchased a PS4 this time, some got Killzone, but they had never played it before. They mainly purchased games like BF4, COD and AC4... these were gamers through the whole of last gen on Xbox... they decided for various reasons to change.

The thing is, trying to pigeon hole everyone who buys a console by saying they are not buying because of the games. There is no way in hell you can check every single purchaser and get them to tell you that.. because its not true... its a false argument led by some people who are upset that their console of choice is selling worse than another console.

Many people buy a console for many different reasons it could be:

  • Cost
  • power
  • Past experience
  • preference
  • Games
  • Genres
  • Features

So what I am saying is there are many reasons and games are just one of those reasons... so.... big deal.

Also many gamers these days dont care about metacritic, they might use reviews as an indication if they should buy day 1 or wait, but unless you are a sheep... you buy games that you feel you are interested in, and not what reviewers (some who are pretty odius and dodgy) decide which games you should play.

I got killzone, I purchased the others before, its got issue, for me its probably a 7 or low 8. But 7 or 8 is fine by me. It's 73 on Metacritic... so. Many Nintendo Games score very highly on certain sites, does that mean I have to buy them or want to play them. No I don't like nintendo games genres or styles, they are not for me. Reviews are just a gauge, they are not the be all and end all. 

I am sure you liked Ryse, or perhaps you liked DR3... pretty much mixed reviews, but I aint going to sit here and say,  no one is buying a console for Ryse it only scored 60 Metacritic. Are you saying "no one" would buy a XboxOne because of Ryse, because according to Metacritic its just above average.... but I know people on this site who purchased an XboxOne and some of their main reasons was because of Ryse.

Your argument is well and truely flawed. Yes people buy for various reasons, and games is one of those reasons... You cannot I'm afraid prove otherwise. 



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Torillian on 22 January 2014
sales2099 said:

Well short of doing a census or mass survey, all I have to go on is the dozens - hundreds of vocal opinions on a few prominent forums and YT comment sections, which I believe show the hardcore gamers true colours when not under threat of moderation, that in the last years of the previous gen, whenever 360 XBLA games dwarfed the PSN offerings, fans referred to PS3s superior retail exclusive lists.

It is farily logical to say that fans will always go with the arguing point that best suits their interests. Xbox fans said digital mattered and the competition downplayed it with their own strengths (retail exclusives).


But you can't shame an individual and hold them to what you percieve the consensus of the group they were in to be.  That's just ridiculous.  

"Your people's stance on _____ has changed since last gen" not only assumes that you know what an entire group was thinking, but that the individual you were talking to is part of that group, and finally that he/she also has changed their stripes along with the group.  You're basically calling someone a hypocrite through a back door and foregoing any need for proof because you can't possibly prove an absolute about a large group without a huge amount of work so you get let off the hook.  



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Touma on 22 January 2014

I don't think GameStop had a lot of stock since launch. They sold a lot of bundle with a high price but the PS4 alone are rare.



sales2099 on 22 January 2014
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Well short of doing a census or mass survey, all I have to go on is the dozens - hundreds of vocal opinions on a few prominent forums and YT comment sections, which I believe show the hardcore gamers true colours when not under threat of moderation, that in the last years of the previous gen, whenever 360 XBLA games dwarfed the PSN offerings, fans referred to PS3s superior retail exclusive lists.

It is farily logical to say that fans will always go with the arguing point that best suits their interests. Xbox fans said digital mattered and the competition downplayed it with their own strengths (retail exclusives).


But you can't shame an individual and hold them to what you percieve the consensus of the group they were in to be.  That's just ridiculous.  

"Your people's stance on _____ has changed since last gen" not only assumes that you know what an entire group was thinking, but that the individual you were talking to is part of that group, and finally that he/she also has changed their stripes along with the group.  You're basically calling someone a hypocrite through a back door and foregoing any need for proof because you can't possibly prove an absolute about a large group without a huge amount of work so you get let off the hook.  

I suppose you are right. Call me a old romantic, of the idea that there are shared cultures between fans, that every camp is of one mind and united in their stances. The idea of camps being composed of individuals that aren't accountable for another just seems....messy, wrong, and not indicative of the console war as the gaming media portrays. nm I suppose.



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Aerys on 22 January 2014
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Well short of doing a census or mass survey, all I have to go on is the dozens - hundreds of vocal opinions on a few prominent forums and YT comment sections, which I believe show the hardcore gamers true colours when not under threat of moderation, that in the last years of the previous gen, whenever 360 XBLA games dwarfed the PSN offerings, fans referred to PS3s superior retail exclusive lists.

It is farily logical to say that fans will always go with the arguing point that best suits their interests. Xbox fans said digital mattered and the competition downplayed it with their own strengths (retail exclusives).


But you can't shame an individual and hold them to what you percieve the consensus of the group they were in to be.  That's just ridiculous.  

"Your people's stance on _____ has changed since last gen" not only assumes that you know what an entire group was thinking, but that the individual you were talking to is part of that group, and finally that he/she also has changed their stripes along with the group.  You're basically calling someone a hypocrite through a back door and foregoing any need for proof because you can't possibly prove an absolute about a large group without a huge amount of work so you get let off the hook.  


Indeed, especially when you know a lot of old X360 fans became the new PS4 fans



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sales2099 on 22 January 2014
Aerys said:
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Well short of doing a census or mass survey, all I have to go on is the dozens - hundreds of vocal opinions on a few prominent forums and YT comment sections, which I believe show the hardcore gamers true colours when not under threat of moderation, that in the last years of the previous gen, whenever 360 XBLA games dwarfed the PSN offerings, fans referred to PS3s superior retail exclusive lists.

It is farily logical to say that fans will always go with the arguing point that best suits their interests. Xbox fans said digital mattered and the competition downplayed it with their own strengths (retail exclusives).


But you can't shame an individual and hold them to what you percieve the consensus of the group they were in to be.  That's just ridiculous.  

"Your people's stance on _____ has changed since last gen" not only assumes that you know what an entire group was thinking, but that the individual you were talking to is part of that group, and finally that he/she also has changed their stripes along with the group.  You're basically calling someone a hypocrite through a back door and foregoing any need for proof because you can't possibly prove an absolute about a large group without a huge amount of work so you get let off the hook.  


Indeed, especially when you know a lot of old X360 fans became the new PS4 fans

Well when they heard that PS4 had a paywall for MP, it sealed the deal. It made the cultural transition easier for them :P.

I kid....couldn't resist.



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LiquorandGunFun on 22 January 2014

It cant be hard when 4 or 5 a month show up.



 

PlayStationLegend on 22 January 2014
SupBambiKing said:
sales2099 said:
People must really want to play Killzone.....


People want a new console
What should they pick?
The Console which is less expensive,more powerful and does every game avaliable in higher resolution and better FPS and is the better future investment or the more expensive console doing nothing better than the other one surrounded by bad PR?
Games?Exclusives?3rd Party moves consoles right now - CoD in 1080p or 720p?Battlefield better on PS4...AC4 better on PS4..Fifa better on PS4(X1 just got a really important patch the PS4 got 2 months ago today.Nice deal ;))
You don't believe that?Why should anyone buy CoD etc on PS4 if they could have it on the Last Gen Console they own?So this means Titanfall isn't a system seller either cause it will be 1:1 available on the 360 as it is on the One.Same low res and everything.At least the CrossGen Ports on the PS4 are better than their last Gen counterparts :)

Forza was never so big people would get interested in it.Not in Europe and especially not in the US - Killer Instinct is F2P and the name isn't well known anymore.
People know Sony will pump out a ton of High Quality exclusives of variety and diversity over the time and will suport the console a long time.
It was a good thing Sony supported the PS3 even that late with tons of NEW exclusives that aren't yearly releases.

Of course PS4 is surrounded by a lot of Hype and good PR but it is just the better investment.
Price,power of the hardware and knowing how Sony supports their console are big factors.
The only fault of Sony is they didn't estimate that demand - Europe has it probably a lot harder to get a PS4 than the US and it won't be easy at all to get one before March/April.The focus on the US is understandable cause it is the only territory where they don't win by default for what ever reason but its annoying.

Somebody give this give this chap a pat on the back.

I said a pat not a slap! : P



leo-j on 22 January 2014

Best buy had a lot of consoles though



 

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JLC215 on 22 January 2014
wick said:
Here in Australia they are sold out until at least March.



Don't know where abouts you are but all my local stores all have PS4 consoles sitting on the shelves, my local EB said only their first 2 shipments sold out.