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oniyide on 18 January 2014
vivster said:
BraveNewWorld said:
vivster said:
I don't know why people are so opposed to this. It seems like a financially responsible option.
You make money on the games, not the consoles. No one can dispute that Nintendo titles would sell more on multiple platforms. And why would the quality of the games suffer? The devs are the same and they are able to work with even stronger hardware.

The only thing against this direction is Nintendo's (and their fanboy's) pride.


Except it's not. Nintendo is built like a company that produces and makes games for one set of systems. If they were to go third party they'd have to make massive changes to the way they do business and their infrastructure. This chart shows Sega's woes. In 2004 Sammy bought majority stock in Sega.

All these different branches and studios...

EAD
SPD
IRD
SDD
NST
NTD
NERD
NSD

1-UP Studio
Creatures Inc.
Monolith Soft
Nd Cube
Retro Studios
Game Freak

create games exclusively for Nintendo systems. All of these studios would have to expand and learn to create for PS4, Vita, Xbox One, PC, MAC, iOS, and Android. That's not financially responsible and, like Sega, would set them back years. Like Sega, Nintendo will only go 3rd party as a necessity.

Nintendo is not Sega. It has enough original IPs to carry the business whereas Sega has nothing. Sega was an incompetent company when it was having hardware as well.

Those Studios you mentioned wouldn't have to "expand" if they built their games on other consoles from the start. Nintendo's money is not special. They will get that from other companies as well.

And that whole bullcrap about "Nintendo games are tailored to special hardware". No it is not. It's just hardware. Stop pretending Nintendo's hardware is made of fairy dust. I have yet to see a Nintendo exclusive that wouldn't be as enjoyable on different hardware.

yes, finally somebody wants to admit it. This is coming from a guy who read the damn Sonic comices



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vivster on 18 January 2014
BraveNewWorld said:
vivster said:
 

Nintendo is not Sega. It has enough original IPs to carry the business whereas Sega has nothing. Sega was an incompetent company when it was having hardware as well.

Those Studios you mentioned wouldn't have to "expand" if they built their games on other consoles from the start. Nintendo's money is not special. They will get that from other companies as well.

And that whole bullcrap about "Nintendo games are tailored to special hardware". No it is not. It's just hardware. Stop pretending Nintendo's hardware is made of fairy dust. I have yet to see a Nintendo exclusive that wouldn't be as enjoyable on different hardware.


Nintendo has to start somewhere. They can't just snap their fingers and have the ability to create for a plethora of new hardware and operating systems. Nintendo employs over 5,000 people to manage two systems. Even more employees would be needed to keep titles coming at a sufficent rate on numerous different platforms. The 5,000 current employees would have to learn new systems. Porting is not as simple as copy and pasting.

This isn't about a Nintendo title being enjoyable on another system, it's about it being financially beneficial for Nintendo to do so, and it wouldn't be. Investors would leave and stocks would plummet. Money would be burned expanding as needed. Less money would be made because games would be coming out more slowly.

This thread isn't about Nintendo jumping ship from one day to another it's about feasibility.

You say it's hard to switch from exclusivity to multiplatform? I guess the people at Ubi and EA are working with magical elves to bring all their titles to multiple platforms. Yes they have about double the employees to realize bigger projects but do you know where they get the money to employ more people? Correct, from realeasing games on multiple platforms to reach a bigger audience and at the same time not losing money on hardware nobody buys.

It's not like Nintendo would be on its own to learn new systems. There are hoards of people at MS and Sony that support developers to make games on their platform. To say it would be too hard for Nintendo and Nintendo-exclusive publishers to port their games on other platforms is simply false. Even indies are doing it.  As pure software publishers they wouldn't have the pressure of short release cycles because they wouldn't have to carry hardware sales on their own.

What keeps Nintendo is just their pride and not realizing on how much money they are sitting with all these great IPs. You have no idea to which heights their stocks would rise if they announced their IPs to come to multiple platforms.



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ICStats on 18 January 2014

I kind of agree with Pach for once.

I think there's now a non zero chance Nintendo might actually do this. Didn't Iwata say they are investing in development tools to support more platforms? This could mean several things, including tooling up to support other consoles.



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binary solo on 18 January 2014
oniyide said:
binary solo said:
Why wouldn't they just call Wii U a gen 7.5 console and make it a very short cycle releasing Wii 2 in 2015, with better specs than PS4 at a lower price? Why would you go third party only temporarily?

Even though I don't by Nintendo home consoles I would hate for them to go out of the home console hardware business, just like I thought it was a sad day that Sega went out of hardware but I never bought a Sega console.

I'll always want Playstation to have a strong generation. And I might uncharitably snigger at Nintendo (or MS) if it's are struggling. But really Nintendo being in the hardware game is much better than them not being in the hardware game.

I actually can't understand why some people salivate at the prospect of a console maker going out of business. Even with Microsoft I'm ambivalent about them staying in consoles, rather than hoping for Xbox's total demise. I don't say prayers to the console gods for Xbox to crumble and disappear. Actually what I'd prefer is for MS to sell Xbox to a third party. That way I could actually see myself possibly buying Xbox in a future generation; though not if they sold it to Apple.

do people want a console with that short of a life cycle? im thinking no

I'm thinking people mostly don't want Wii U, so the length of the Wii U console cycles is irrelevant to most people. If people keep not buying Wii U then it's gonna be a short generation anyway. Nintendo could hide thier home console losses because their handhelds carried them. But it seems 3DS isn;t carrying them at the moment.



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Serious_frusting on 18 January 2014
Mystro-Sama said:
Can we please stop posting Pachter news.

Does anyone really give a shit?


Well you do or you woud not have posted



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oniyide on 18 January 2014
binary solo said:
oniyide said:
binary solo said:
Why wouldn't they just call Wii U a gen 7.5 console and make it a very short cycle releasing Wii 2 in 2015, with better specs than PS4 at a lower price? Why would you go third party only temporarily?

Even though I don't by Nintendo home consoles I would hate for them to go out of the home console hardware business, just like I thought it was a sad day that Sega went out of hardware but I never bought a Sega console.

I'll always want Playstation to have a strong generation. And I might uncharitably snigger at Nintendo (or MS) if it's are struggling. But really Nintendo being in the hardware game is much better than them not being in the hardware game.

I actually can't understand why some people salivate at the prospect of a console maker going out of business. Even with Microsoft I'm ambivalent about them staying in consoles, rather than hoping for Xbox's total demise. I don't say prayers to the console gods for Xbox to crumble and disappear. Actually what I'd prefer is for MS to sell Xbox to a third party. That way I could actually see myself possibly buying Xbox in a future generation; though not if they sold it to Apple.

do people want a console with that short of a life cycle? im thinking no

I'm thinking people mostly don't want Wii U, so the length of the Wii U console cycles is irrelevant to most people. If people keep not buying Wii U then it's gonna be a short generation anyway. Nintendo could hide thier home console losses because their handhelds carried them. But it seems 3DS isn;t carrying them at the moment.

thats fair, but im thinking it might be bad, because Sega did something similar with Saturn and 32x. I dont know about Japan and Europe but those two got cut short in the US and IMHO that is one of the main reasons that DC was never really able to take off. People will be reluctant to buy a system from a company that is known to cut support short, i know i am.



Mr Khan on 18 January 2014

Even saying that this is a good idea, hypothetically, it would take them a while to either port existing projects to competing x86 chips (or downscale them to fit on PS360). It would be a lot of investment that would better be spent trying to get the Wii U sorted



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NintendoPie on 18 January 2014

"It is clear to us that the old Nintendo model of proprietary hardware supported by compelling proprietary software is broken,"

Umm... what? It's pretty obvious that Nintendo's SW drives their HW. Even with the Wii U.



Viper1 on 18 January 2014

Pachter should go 3rd party and support other financial investment firms until he can come up with better financial advice.



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ManUtdFan on 18 January 2014

There'll probably be one maybe two more generation of consoles before across the board convergence and one universal standard console- i can see Sony and Micro$oft fighting out possibly two more battles, no more. There'll be one more console from Ninty Winky and then they'll do a sega.