You mean they'll ALL do a Sega.   A universal standard means everyone is basically 3rd party.  Even those that manufacture their own hardware for the standard.

well in that case, maybe people dont really want Ninty's software?

Actually, Nintendo should take a page out of Coleco's play book and make inferior versions of its. Games for other platforms in an effort to wet people's appetites and get them to then spend money on playing the better version of the game on Nintendo hardware.

This makes as much sense in the long run as Pachter's suggestion,

And Nintendo does not think quarterly like analysts, it thinks longer run.

What are you talking about? Nintendo's SW is selling well. Especially when put against such a pathetic HW number.

Edit: I see what you're saying now. However, Nintendo's SW does still move HW. The Wii U's problem isn't just "Nintendo SW only console." There are several other problems.

yeah thats what i was getting at. Fair enough. 

That's a good point. I don't know the Saturn / 32x story, but I think perhaps Nintendo could get away with a short cycle for WiiU partly on the basis that Wii2 would be more powerful than PS4bone and thus be seen to have better potential longevity than WiiU - not that Wii U's raw power necessarily spelt doom for it, but being less powerful than PS4bone hasn't helped, or rather being seen (rightly or wrongly) as not much more powerful than PS360 didn't help - and the fact that Nintendo has been around for a long time so people shouldn't see it as a likely pattern.

But if Nintendo merely releases a more powerful console but does nothing else different I think they will get Wii U like sales again. They basically need to convince those whose first ever console was a Wii to buy Wii 2 (or Wii U). I personally know 3 perhaps 4 families who bought Wii and had never bought a console before (probably were rather anti-video game before Wii, and in a general sense probably still are). They have absolutely no reason to want to buy a Wii U and so they won't. All the next iterations of the various Mario games isn't going to be a draw for them, they are not at all invested in the LoZ world, they don't have cherished childhood / adolescent memories of playing the heck out of Donkey Kong, they've never heard of Metroid, they think Pokemon is a TV cartoon.

It is unfortunate for Nintendo that their biggest failure with Wii was not converting vast numbers of first time game players into gamers. And I don't think they recognised this as even being something they needed to address. I think they assumed these first timers would behave exactly the same as long time gamers. Put out a new console, with upgraded versions of the things they liked on Wii and they will turn out in droves to buy the new console. They misread the situation terribly. And Nintendo should have been very worried by the fast drop off in Wii sales from 2009-2011 instead of just seeing the LTD rising far above any of the past home console, at the same time as PS3360 were getting a second wind.

Ba-dum-dum-tish
*insert insane laughter*

The funniest thing is I see Sony actually beating Nintendo to this.

Its not even about power, its not that Wii U isnt as good as PS4 or xone. but the fact that they released a console that is only a bit more powerful than a console that has been on the market for SEVEN years. that is inexcusable no matter how one wants to spin it. It should have been smack in the middle of PS360 PS4/xone MINIMUM. not closer to PS360. 

Buts that what they did try to do with the Wii U. the gamepad was supposed to be the wiimote. that didnt happen so here we are. THe thing is you just cant replicate wiimote status if it were easy everyone would do it. 

Ive heard this talk before but it was never going to happen, ever. They didnt address it because they know they CANT do it. YOur grandma who bought a Wii for sports, resort or whatever fitness crap, never cared about video games, so why would she all of a sudden? She wouldnt, shes not going to be playing COD, Street Fighter ever and she never was. I dont want to be that guy, but the situation played out exactly how i thought it would when they did the first reveal. The Wii crowd are not gamers and they were never going to be, its not in their nature, thats why they dont care about updated stuff of even the things they do like.  PS360 was always going to do ok, it was never a matter of if or when. 360 was actually ok from the jump. Sony just was just arrogant but they learned. Gamers care about the stuff those two were offering and it shows in the sales. Wii was too far behind tech wise and it was always going to catch up to them. 

I was actually thinking of the millions of non-gamer parents who bought Wii for their 5-year olds. That is, in Pacther's words, an addressable market. They just need to work out how to address them. More of the same, more or less, wasn't going to do it. And thinking a tablet controller would do it was a somewhat predictable mistake. But I also wonder if Kinect stole some of this potential market away, esp in the USA. Kinect really was an amazing phenomenon in the USA. It is directly responsible 360 eventually outselling Wii in the USA, even if it's taken more years on the market to do so. But MS should not make any assumptions about those latter day 360+Kinect buyers. They are no more likely to go for Xb one for the same reason as similar people who stuck with Wii aren't buying Wii U.

The over 40's who bought Wii for themselves are a one night stand, by and large, I agree.