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oniyide said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.

i just havent heard a compelling argument why not? its just if they go 3rd party games would suck? but that makes no sense as Sony and MS machines are more capable than ninty's of late so they could do the usual and then some.

Actually, there are tons of arguments as to why it doesn't make much sens to go third party. One of them (and I believe that this was pointed out earlier in this thread) is that 65% of ALL Nintendo revenue is from selling hardware. Granted, as of NOW, it's not an ideal situation with the current wiiU sales. However, saying that going third party is a better option then manufacturing it's own hardware only means that you're assuming that they won't ever see high sales again which, this way of thinking, is flawed.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

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Roma said:
sidmeiernintifan said:


I am quite sure those are numbers for the whole company.

what makes me think it is only game devision is that it starts when they released the PS1 the same can be said about MS's Xbox unless the companies came into existence in those years of course which is not the case 


If I recall correctly Sony made a profit with PS1 and PS2, but lost more than the profit they made with those 2 consoles with PS3.



benji232 said:
oniyide said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.

i just havent heard a compelling argument why not? its just if they go 3rd party games would suck? but that makes no sense as Sony and MS machines are more capable than ninty's of late so they could do the usual and then some.

Actually, there are tons of arguments as to why it doesn't make much sens to go third party. One of them (and I believe that this was pointed out earlier in this thread) is that 65% of ALL Nintendo revenue is from selling hardware. Granted, as of NOW, it's not an ideal situation with the current wiiU sales. However, saying that going third party is a better option then manufacturing it's own hardware only means that you're assuming that they won't ever see high sales again which, this way of thinking, is flawed.


No!, stop! I love Drake4's crusade against Nintendo's HW division. He hopes he can play  a Zelda game with the same quality on PS4



Most antecipated games: Mario Kart 8 and Warlords of Draenor.

DerNebel said:

It's not game only at least not on Sonys side (why the hell would the game division post a 2.8 billion dollar loss in 2012??), also there are some clear mistakes cause Sony (and it's gaming division) actually didn't post a loss in 2012.

you have a link to prove that?

I remember them loosing a lot but that could be 2011 which was about 4b or something for the entire company. I will have to look it up

 



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Roma said:
DerNebel said:

It's not game only at least not on Sonys side (why the hell would the game division post a 2.8 billion dollar loss in 2012??), also there are some clear mistakes cause Sony (and it's gaming division) actually didn't post a loss in 2012.

you have a link to prove that?

I remember them loosing a lot but that could be 2011 which was about 4b or something for the entire company. I will have to look it up

 

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_posts_2012_financial_results_records_profit_of_458_million-news-6008.php

Yeah 2011, they lost alot, still the game division never lost 2.8 billion in one year.

PS.: Corvo and whoever's discussing with him, could you cut the quote trees a bit?



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DerNebel said:
Roma said:
DerNebel said:

It's not game only at least not on Sonys side (why the hell would the game division post a 2.8 billion dollar loss in 2012??), also there are some clear mistakes cause Sony (and it's gaming division) actually didn't post a loss in 2012.

you have a link to prove that?

I remember them loosing a lot but that could be 2011 which was about 4b or something for the entire company. I will have to look it up

 

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_posts_2012_financial_results_records_profit_of_458_million-news-6008.php

Yeah 2011, they lost alot, still the game division never lost 2.8 billion in one year.

PS.: Corvo and whoever's discussing with him, could you cut the quote trees a bit?


Hmm those numbers...

Oh sorry, I dont know how to that yet, as you noticed I'm new here, expect any huge mistake from me in posts lol



Most antecipated games: Mario Kart 8 and Warlords of Draenor.

DerNebel said:

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_posts_2012_financial_results_records_profit_of_458_million-news-6008.php

Yeah 2011, they lost alot, still the game division never lost 2.8 billion in one year.

PS.: Corvo and whoever's discussing with him, could you cut the quote trees a bit?

I hope they have more buildings to sell so they can stay in the profit zone then

wnywho thanks for the correction



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Join Sony and give them your software !!



Corvo said:
DerNebel said:

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_posts_2012_financial_results_records_profit_of_458_million-news-6008.php

Yeah 2011, they lost alot, still the game division never lost 2.8 billion in one year.

PS.: Corvo and whoever's discussing with him, could you cut the quote trees a bit?


Hmm those numbers...

Oh sorry, I dont know how to that yet, as you noticed I'm new here, expect any huge mistake from me in posts lol

It's rather easy, when quoting just left click on the quote you want to delete to mark it and then click on the "delete row" icon (last row, sixth from the left, below the omega symbol), generally quote trees shouldn't be longer than 3 quotes, I think you can even get banned for too long quote trees :D

Anyway welcome to vgchartz



It's rather easy, when quoting just left click on the quote you want to delete to mark it and then click on the "delete row" icon (last row, sixth from the left, below the omega symbol), generally quote trees shouldn't be longer than 3 quotes, I think you can even get banned for too long quote trees :D

Anyway welcome to vgchartz


Guess I did it!, thanks buddy for the hint. Also thanks for the welcome ;)



Most antecipated games: Mario Kart 8 and Warlords of Draenor.