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oniyide on 17 January 2014
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.


Well, nintendo can do whatever they want. Also, phone/tablet market is the WORST idea, even worse than 3rd party... if I have to choose, I would go 3rd party... but assuming their finantial situation, it would be non-sense. Keeping on the phone/tablet, nintendo doesnt have phone/tablet division as sony. Also, there are 2 big leading the market: Apple + Samsung . Nintendo on HW line is fighting 2 big's, sony + micro. If they are smarty enough , the second market ( HW) is where they have at least name. Iwata can't be that stupid to go on phone/tablet market ( maybe he is, after that ''9 millions wii U's by march'' and 3 consecutives years of money loss.

Nintendo has 2 problems : Satoru and Iwata.

they dont HAVE to make a phone or tablet, they could just make small type games, damn near every other game publisher does it. 



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justinian on 17 January 2014
Roma said:
this ND will be an interesting one! can't wait!


Indeed. I was wondering what was keeping it so long but I think they needed to get this piece of news out the way first.

However it being Iwata, he would just pretend nothing major is happening and carry out the same old boring process.

People hate me for saying it but I found 2013's NDs depressing most of the time. The only people that usually watch them probably already own a wii u or 3DS.

This time however I think a lot more people (including a lot of gaming reporters) will be tuning in to hear what he has to say.

I really hope he realises this and at least try to reach people with some telling revelations.



Netyaroze on 17 January 2014
Corvo said:
Netyaroze said:

From 9 to 2.8 Million ? Nintendo expects to sell 2.8 Million Wii U the whole year ?


2.8 by Match I guess, it is when their FY ends. Correct me if I'am wrong


Makes more sense if you just look at the 2.8 Million number, but if they corrected it from 9 Million. That means they expected to sell 9 Million Wii Us in this quarter which is absolutely ridiculous.



Corvo on 17 January 2014
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.


Well, nintendo can do whatever they want. Also, phone/tablet market is the WORST idea, even worse than 3rd party... if I have to choose, I would go 3rd party... but assuming their finantial situation, it would be non-sense. Keeping on the phone/tablet, nintendo doesnt have phone/tablet division as sony. Also, there are 2 big leading the market: Apple + Samsung . Nintendo on HW line is fighting 2 big's, sony + micro. If they are smarty enough , the second market ( HW) is where they have at least name. Iwata can't be that stupid to go on phone/tablet market ( maybe he is, after that ''9 millions wii U's by march'' and 3 consecutives years of money loss.

Nintendo has 2 problems : Satoru and Iwata.

they dont HAVE to make a phone or tablet, they could just make small type games, damn near every other game publisher does it. 


After the '' Iwata said Nintendo is going to change his business strategy dramastically'' I expect everything. They could just stick with Handhelds , they are strong in this division. Also, it depends if they can make a profit on wii U. Do you think they can sell the wii U on N64 numbers? or at least push better numbers than GC?. If they could make profit on wii U , no doubt that they still can stick on HW market... but they REALLY have to change their '' business strategy''. I also expect a hybrid console that goes Handheld + home console, as everyone recently suggested.



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outlawauron on 17 January 2014
MohammadBadir said:
Really hope they don't just put their games on smartphones.
If that happens, I'll probably have another mental breakdown.

Isn't that what he implied with that statement? This wouldn't be the first time someone has recommended putting VC on mobile devices.



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oniyide on 17 January 2014
Corvo said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.


Well, nintendo can do whatever they want. Also, phone/tablet market is the WORST idea, even worse than 3rd party... if I have to choose, I would go 3rd party... but assuming their finantial situation, it would be non-sense. Keeping on the phone/tablet, nintendo doesnt have phone/tablet division as sony. Also, there are 2 big leading the market: Apple + Samsung . Nintendo on HW line is fighting 2 big's, sony + micro. If they are smarty enough , the second market ( HW) is where they have at least name. Iwata can't be that stupid to go on phone/tablet market ( maybe he is, after that ''9 millions wii U's by march'' and 3 consecutives years of money loss.

Nintendo has 2 problems : Satoru and Iwata.

they dont HAVE to make a phone or tablet, they could just make small type games, damn near every other game publisher does it. 


After the '' Iwata said Nintendo is going to change his business strategy dramastically'' I expect everything. They could just stick with Handhelds , they are strong in this division. Also, it depends if they can make a profit on wii U. Do you think they can sell the wii U on N64 numbers? or at least push better numbers than GC?. If they could make profit on wii U , no doubt that they still can stick on HW market... but they REALLY have to change their '' business strategy''. I also expect a hybrid console that goes Handheld + home console, as everyone recently suggested.


no, no they cant, from what i understand they still arent making money on Wii U, they might have to do ANOTHER price cut and right now it looks like it might not even hit GC numbers, forget N64. 



Roma on 17 January 2014

thought I would post this here

 

 

keep dreaming (people who want Nintendo games on other systems) If anyone goes third party it's going to be Sony first as they are bleeding like hell! I wonder what they made in 2013. who ever runs Sony needs to be fired!



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Corvo on 17 January 2014
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.


Well, nintendo can do whatever they want. Also, phone/tablet market is the WORST idea, even worse than 3rd party... if I have to choose, I would go 3rd party... but assuming their finantial situation, it would be non-sense. Keeping on the phone/tablet, nintendo doesnt have phone/tablet division as sony. Also, there are 2 big leading the market: Apple + Samsung . Nintendo on HW line is fighting 2 big's, sony + micro. If they are smarty enough , the second market ( HW) is where they have at least name. Iwata can't be that stupid to go on phone/tablet market ( maybe he is, after that ''9 millions wii U's by march'' and 3 consecutives years of money loss.

Nintendo has 2 problems : Satoru and Iwata.

they dont HAVE to make a phone or tablet, they could just make small type games, damn near every other game publisher does it. 


After the '' Iwata said Nintendo is going to change his business strategy dramastically'' I expect everything. They could just stick with Handhelds , they are strong in this division. Also, it depends if they can make a profit on wii U. Do you think they can sell the wii U on N64 numbers? or at least push better numbers than GC?. If they could make profit on wii U , no doubt that they still can stick on HW market... but they REALLY have to change their '' business strategy''. I also expect a hybrid console that goes Handheld + home console, as everyone recently suggested.


no, no they cant, from what i understand they still arent making money on Wii U, they might have to do ANOTHER price cut and right now it looks like it might not even hit GC numbers, forget N64. 

Hmmm, indeed they still arent making, they are losing. By the way, following this line, do you think the '' great wii U saviors '' ... the upcoming games.. can turn the console profitable?. Been reading a lot of : MK8+Smash bros will save, blablabla... N64 times were tough I can say. Nintendo messed everything and sony took the crown. Can't believe they still made '' good '' numbers after that.



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Corvo on 17 January 2014
Roma said:

thought I would post this here

 

 

keep dreaming (people who want Nintendo games on other systems) If anyone goes third party it's going to be Sony first as they are bleeding like hell! I wonder what they made in 2013. who ever runs Sony needs to be fired!


LOL, been reading about sony bleeding money,  never thought that was a big number... wow microsoft... . Do you think they still will go on next gen? I mean, PS5 Xbox''something'' . I know that micro can stick around, they are a big company. 

By the way, those numbers from Sony are from their game division or the whole company?.



Most antecipated games: Mario Kart 8 and Warlords of Draenor.

oniyide on 17 January 2014
Corvo said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.


Well, nintendo can do whatever they want. Also, phone/tablet market is the WORST idea, even worse than 3rd party... if I have to choose, I would go 3rd party... but assuming their finantial situation, it would be non-sense. Keeping on the phone/tablet, nintendo doesnt have phone/tablet division as sony. Also, there are 2 big leading the market: Apple + Samsung . Nintendo on HW line is fighting 2 big's, sony + micro. If they are smarty enough , the second market ( HW) is where they have at least name. Iwata can't be that stupid to go on phone/tablet market ( maybe he is, after that ''9 millions wii U's by march'' and 3 consecutives years of money loss.

Nintendo has 2 problems : Satoru and Iwata.

they dont HAVE to make a phone or tablet, they could just make small type games, damn near every other game publisher does it. 


After the '' Iwata said Nintendo is going to change his business strategy dramastically'' I expect everything. They could just stick with Handhelds , they are strong in this division. Also, it depends if they can make a profit on wii U. Do you think they can sell the wii U on N64 numbers? or at least push better numbers than GC?. If they could make profit on wii U , no doubt that they still can stick on HW market... but they REALLY have to change their '' business strategy''. I also expect a hybrid console that goes Handheld + home console, as everyone recently suggested.


no, no they cant, from what i understand they still arent making money on Wii U, they might have to do ANOTHER price cut and right now it looks like it might not even hit GC numbers, forget N64. 

Hmmm, indeed they still arent making, they are losing. By the way, following this line, do you think the '' great wii U saviors '' ... the upcoming games.. can turn the console profitable?. Been reading a lot of : MK8+Smash bros will save, blablabla... N64 times were tough I can say. Nintendo messed everything and sony took the crown. Can't believe they still made '' good '' numbers after that.


hell no, its the same crap people been spewing since inception. Rayman, Pikmin, W101, Sonic, 3dworld all came went and didnt really save (3dworld is debatable) people dont seem to want the CONSOLE especially when they can get a MK and Smash on the more popular 3ds and before anyone says anything about people would want the real thing, I would refer them to Lego City and Sonic both 3ds versions soundly beating the Wii U counterparts and the former had no ads for 3ds.