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Well shit! I did not expect this.

I have to apologize to soundwave - Iwata needs to be removed from the top - maybe new management can ground them to reality



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fauzman said:
Im surprised. I knew wii u saleswouldnt be great, but I thought the massive 3DS sales would make up for it in a big way. Still they nodoubt have a ton of money in the bank and wii u sales have picked up a bit. 2014 profit?

Sales of the Wii U are still stabilizing after the Holidays, and 1st-party games are actually looking to be relased soon, but sales already don't look too great. Granted, not much to compare to, but we'll see.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, they have a lot less in the bank than they had a couple of years ago, though it's still substantial.

As far as profit in 2014, that's a huge question mark. It depends a lot on how they respond to this year's loss.



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iwata: we are still the best selling next gen home console, please understand

but idk ... hope they wont pull the plug in the next two years (games) if they want to release a new console in 3-4 years :(



Give the wiiu 3 years and than do handheld gaming only. Imagine the games they produce on one system only. Console gaming isn't the future. They need update the next handheld to Apple level of OS. It will not be easy but it is possible. One system will make them more money than one failing. Plus they could profit more if releasing games on a very healthily system.



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superhippy420 said:
zorg1000 said:
superhippy420 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Aerys said:
That shows 3rd party are important, even if some fans think otherwise, nintendo cant make profit on home console without 3rd party


The real problem is the tablet control. It pushed away casuals.

More 3rd party isn't going to bring the masses to Wii U.


The entire PlayStation brand and its success is largely a result of Nintendos hardware stubborness and hostile attitude towards 3rd partys.

Ive never understood the 3rd partys mean nothing to Nintendo argument.


They don't mean anything.  They had alot of 3rd party's on SNES which only sold 40 million and Gamecube which only sold 22 million.  The Wii 's 3rd party games sold terribly except for Just Dance and a few others and Nintendo moved 100 million.  The DS didnt have very much 3rd Party support either and they sold 150 million.    Playstations entire model is different.   Without the 3rd parties they may not have even sold 30 million PS3's, and I wish I was exagerating.   Same goes for PS4 right now.  Killzone and Knack combined have sold 1.75 million / COD and Fifa combined have sold 2.92 million.   Flip to Wii U both Call of Dutys and Fifa combined have sold 490k / SM3DW has sold 1.63 million on its own.

Yes they do mean something. SNES sold closer to 50m and that was a time when the video game market was much smaller, it had well over 50% marketshare back then. And look at one of the biggest games on it, Street Fighter a 3rd party franchise sold over 12m on SNES. The Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy series each sold about 8m on SNES, Mortal Kombat did about 5m, the Disney games Aladdin+Lion King+Magical Quest sold 5m. Mega Man sold 2.5m, NBA Jam games sold 2.5m. 3rd parties helped SNES alot, especially in Japan where 12 of the top 20 best sellomg games were 3rd party.

How many of those though actually moved the consoles.   Super Mario World sold 20.6 million.  Super Mario All-Stars sold 10.6 million.  The DKC's combined sold 18 million.   Those are what moved most of the consoles.    The Genesis had most of those 3rd party games too (not Final Fantasy) but Nintendo killed them in terms of the 1st party games and that was that.   I have no doubt that 3rd party games can help Nintendo somewhat, but it will never be a big driving force. 

As someone who actually was around during the SNES-Genesis days, third parties were huge. 

The "must have" game for the SNES early on was actually Street Fighter II ... that was a huuuuuuuge deal, I remember it was sold out everywhere and SNES hardware sales boomed big time, retailers were ripping kids off charging $90 a cartridge at many places (and you guys complain about $60 games!). 



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superhippy420 said:
zorg1000 said:
superhippy420 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Aerys said:
That shows 3rd party are important, even if some fans think otherwise, nintendo cant make profit on home console without 3rd party


The real problem is the tablet control. It pushed away casuals.

More 3rd party isn't going to bring the masses to Wii U.


The entire PlayStation brand and its success is largely a result of Nintendos hardware stubborness and hostile attitude towards 3rd partys.

Ive never understood the 3rd partys mean nothing to Nintendo argument.


They don't mean anything.  They had alot of 3rd party's on SNES which only sold 40 million and Gamecube which only sold 22 million.  The Wii 's 3rd party games sold terribly except for Just Dance and a few others and Nintendo moved 100 million.  The DS didnt have very much 3rd Party support either and they sold 150 million.    Playstations entire model is different.   Without the 3rd parties they may not have even sold 30 million PS3's, and I wish I was exagerating.   Same goes for PS4 right now.  Killzone and Knack combined have sold 1.75 million / COD and Fifa combined have sold 2.92 million.   Flip to Wii U both Call of Dutys and Fifa combined have sold 490k / SM3DW has sold 1.63 million on its own.

Yes they do mean something. SNES sold closer to 50m and that was a time when the video game market was much smaller, it had well over 50% marketshare back then. And look at one of the biggest games on it, Street Fighter a 3rd party franchise sold over 12m on SNES. The Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy series each sold about 8m on SNES, Mortal Kombat did about 5m, the Disney games Aladdin+Lion King+Magical Quest sold 5m. Mega Man sold 2.5m, NBA Jam games sold 2.5m. 3rd parties helped SNES alot, especially in Japan where 12 of the top 20 best sellomg games were 3rd party.

How many of those though actually moved the consoles.   Super Mario World sold 20.6 million.  Super Mario All-Stars sold 10.6 million.  The DKC's combined sold 18 million.   Those are what moved most of the consoles.    The Genesis had most of those 3rd party games too (not Final Fantasy) but Nintendo killed them in terms of the 1st party games and that was that.   I have no doubt that 3rd party games can help Nintendo somewhat, but it will never be a big driving force. 

In Japan, Street Fighter+Dragon Quest+Final Fantasy were huge contributors to SNES sales, look what happened when those games migrated to PS1. SNES-17m, N64-5m.

As for America look at the drop in sales from NES to SNES, 33m down to 22m. Thats due to Genesis coming along and sharing 3rd party support whereas NES had a monolopy on 3rd parties.



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Even with the N64, I've always felt its sales may have been a little inflated.

A lot of people just assumed N64 was going to be SNES-2 ... you have to understand as incredible as it seems now back then Nintendo = the most games from every developer. Nintendo was the console to get if you wanted third party games.

People early on didn't understand the N64 with its cartridges wasn't going to recieve the same types of support the NES and SNES was, so you had a lot of N64 early adopters jumping ship to the Playstation in the following years, I had a lot of friends in that boat. Those droughts were a rude awakening.  

They kept the N64 around for GoldenEye marathon sessions and Zelda, but from then on, Playstation became the most go to console.

In the 80s and 90s Nintendo wasn't just the Mario machine, Nintendo consoles = the widest variety of games of all genres. That's what Nintendo was synonmous for, no kid wanted to be the kid that got stuck with a Sega Master System with only a handful of good games by comparision. 



Tomatko said:
Well, as I said before (in another thread - why you should buy a ninty console) - it is a stupid idea to buy this console.

Why? So far it's been worth every penny I spent on it.



I actually want whatever happens in the future of Nintendo for them to ALWAYS be allowed their own time to create their games. Not rush them. They are Nintendo.

That said what is or are the real chances of a Sega happening this gen?

I loved the Dreamcast, many hardcore gamers will tell you its one of the best consoles ever in its 3 year time it had. I see a lot of amazing titles on Wii U, And the hardcore love these games. But is there ANY chance that Wii U will be stopped like Dreamcast was? Nintendo publisher and devlepoer only?

Someone mentioned awhile ago about Microsoft buying Sony, but Sony have way to much debt. They are a business nightmare. But Nintendo aren't and cost around the same amount. Is there a possibility Microsoft would look at them? Buy them even?

I am getting a Wii U to try and support them. I like its games coming and I would rather Nintendo stay as they are.

If Microsoft ever did buy them, I would support them as a First party Microsoft developer 100%. But Microsoft would have to allow them complete free time and control of the Ip's. Like they did with Bungie.



mii-gamer said:
Well shit! I did not expect this.

I have to apologize to soundwave - Iwata needs to be removed from the top - maybe new management can ground them to reality


No apology needed. Honestly I'd rather have been wrong because I do genuinely like Nintendo, but they really did all this to themselves. 

They need to become less stubborn and narrow minded.