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KingWithNoKrown on 11 January 2014
Mummelmann said:
Does a single person on earth care about Final Fantasy any more? Since FFXIII, there's just no hope for the series.

Of course! Millions like myself still care. 


FF10 HD remastered and FF15 will take the series back to the top. Its only the 13 trilogy everybody is done with. 



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DonFerrari on 11 January 2014
DakonBlackblade said:
DonFerrari said:
Today we learnt that objectively opinions=facts...

And some games can be evaluated in a special scale... this must be a 4 in a 0 to 5... or comparing to other FFs.

The same happened to GT.

My point exactly, ppl scroed XIII-2 and probably are going to score this one based on how they tought a FF game should be and the end scores where completly unfair most of the times.


Sure is... I think scores should be comparable in a genre, but FF and GT even being great isn't a genre of themselves...



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Nem on 11 January 2014
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


I guess thats a difference of criteria. For me a bad game is not a buggy game (i can overlook those if the game is enjoyable), but a game that is dead boring.

The gameplay certainly isnt solid though. You just need to use auto-attack through 95% of the game and you traverse corridor after corridor. The story itself is a fragmented mess that struggles to stay coherent. The characters are one-dimensional. Actually, lightning herself is completely void of any personality after 3 games and a spin-off.

So, objectively its not a good game. The gameplay and entertainment value is terrible. Just cause you got shiny graphics and nice music, doesnt mean you have a good game.

Sarcasm or what?

I'm guessing you didnt get far into the game cause if you auto-attack 95% of the time, chances are you'll get the controlling character KO'd which ends the game and takes you to the game over screen. Especially if you go full 3 party commando which is simply idiotic (not saying you but I know some people who originally played the game that did that lol).


Afraid i did. Went all the way to grand pulse and the open area. I was always hoping it would get better.

I'm not gonna bother anymore since it seems like la la land with these opinions. Its the world that is wrong, not the FF fans. ^^ Sorry, but i really really tried to like FFXIII, but the game is trash.



Nem on 11 January 2014
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


Afraid i did. Went all the way to grand pulse and the open area. I was always hoping it would get better.

I'm not gonna bother anymore since it seems like la la land with these opinions. Its the world that is wrong, not the FF fans. ^^ Sorry, but i really really tried to like FFXIII, but the game is trash.


So you are telling me you went full Commando + Ravager - no medic, no sabteour, no sentinel?

Absolutely no Sentinel? LOL - that is hard to believe. Especially at the part where you are with Snow and Hope by themselves.

I think you are either overexaggerating or just hate the game cause its different from previous games in the series - you know one of those people who cant handle change.


I didnt tell you anything. I dont remember what i played the game as. Its been years and i dont try to keep many memories of it. I had a terrible time and i fell asleep playing it more than once.

But the case you're making is moot. The combat system was terrible. Its really not worth it to have argument number 3967 about it. I understand that there are some people that miraculously found enjoyment on it, but the game is a bad game wether they like it or not. I dont force them to agree with that, but blindness on FF fans is not something that is singular to the FFXIII series.

Actually all your buddy that we quoted did was say that FFXIII is not bad cause all JRPG's are bad, wich is just not right.



Nem on 11 January 2014
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


I didnt tell you anything. I dont remember what i played the game as. Its been years and i dont try to keep many memories of it. I had a terrible time and i fell asleep playing it more than once.


lol yeah right, pretty sure I know where this is going.

By no means am I saying FFXIII is perfect, I wouldnt even put it in the top 10 of my favorite FF games but its clearly obvious that there's more to the negativity around FFXIII than the game's actual gameplay at least in your view especially from the bolded/italic/underlined comment.

Saying a game is bad but providing false input makes no sense. Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to just auto-attack 95% of the time cause you would have to keep changing the paradigms/roles cause each battle ESPECIALLY the boss battles require a bit more than just auto-attacking, especially since you have the risk of ending a game if your player controlled character gets KO'd.


 Yes, its auto-attack most of the game and change paradigm in the rare occasions where you need healing, wich is also done by auto-attacking. I'm not sure what you're playing at here. I did say 95%. Are you making the case that those 5% save the game somehow?

There is negativity because the game is  that bad. It deserves it, as we can see by the sequals wich failed to improve the game. This team can have 10 attempts at this and they would still probably make terrible games every time.



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ishiki on 11 January 2014
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


I didnt tell you anything. I dont remember what i played the game as. Its been years and i dont try to keep many memories of it. I had a terrible time and i fell asleep playing it more than once.


lol yeah right, pretty sure I know where this is going.

By no means am I saying FFXIII is perfect, I wouldnt even put it in the top 10 of my favorite FF games but its clearly obvious that there's more to the negativity around FFXIII than the game's actual gameplay at least in your view especially from the bolded/italic/underlined comment.

Saying a game is bad but providing false input makes no sense. Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to just auto-attack 95% of the time cause you would have to keep changing the paradigms/roles cause each battle ESPECIALLY the boss battles require a bit more than just auto-attacking, especially since you have the risk of ending a game if your player controlled character gets KO'd.


lol basil, I don't think I've ever seen you defend things with so much passion! ESP for a game that's not in your top 10 FF!
it's probably like my 8th favorite FF... though probably with my 4th favorite battle system in FF.

You're not going to change his mind though.



ishiki on 11 January 2014
Nem said:
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


I didnt tell you anything. I dont remember what i played the game as. Its been years and i dont try to keep many memories of it. I had a terrible time and i fell asleep playing it more than once.


lol yeah right, pretty sure I know where this is going.

By no means am I saying FFXIII is perfect, I wouldnt even put it in the top 10 of my favorite FF games but its clearly obvious that there's more to the negativity around FFXIII than the game's actual gameplay at least in your view especially from the bolded/italic/underlined comment.

Saying a game is bad but providing false input makes no sense. Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to just auto-attack 95% of the time cause you would have to keep changing the paradigms/roles cause each battle ESPECIALLY the boss battles require a bit more than just auto-attacking, especially since you have the risk of ending a game if your player controlled character gets KO'd.


 Yes, its auto-attack most of the game and change paradigm in the rare occasions where you need healing, wich is also done by auto-attacking. I'm not sure what you're playing at here. I did say 95%. Are you making the case that those 5% save the game somehow?

There is negativity because the game is  that bad. It deserves it, as we can see by the sequals wich failed to improve the game. This team can have 10 attempts at this and they would still probably make terrible games every time.

Do you not like any FF? you can pretty much just attack and kill 95% of the enemies in every FF. Ofcourse, you can use other things to make things die much faster, and in this one as well.

Not that it excuses FF13, because it is a flaw. Persona, SMT, Pokemon don't have this flaw, because you will die in those games if you just attack everything and they're balanced better than pretty much every FF.

I'm not arguing that you should like it, because you obviously don't and that's fine. I'm just arguing about you saying anyone with a different opinion is wrong. Your argument on why people that likes it's battle system opinion is wrong. Is a problem in most FF.



Runa216 on 11 January 2014

This thread makes me happy. Nice to see other reviewers willing to give it the review it deserves, and it sounds like Square Enix have not learned their lessons.

XIII was bad, broken, Linear to a fault, had terrible characters and a poorly told story, and a fundamentally flawed battle system.

XIII-2 had even worse characters and plot, but notably better in gameplay, fixing many of the issues that XIII had, while making more issues.

Sounds like XIII-3 is no better.

Cannot believe this company is still making games. I don't want them to go under, since I hate wishing ill on anyone, but I still want them to fail miserably so they understand what they're doing wrong.



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Kowan on 11 January 2014

Wow everyone getting all serious because of ONE review of a person who has never liked the 13 series.
I'm still buying this game and I'm gonna enjoy it.



prayformojo on 11 January 2014

Does anyone here think that FF can return to the glory days that was FF7-FFX? Seems like it may be over, sadly.