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Porcupine_I on 10 January 2014
withdreday said:
Porcupine_I said:
withdreday said:

Why do Xbox fans hate Cboat so much? He was right about 99% of everything said.


You just answered your own question


lol, I had a feeling that might be the case. But even so, he was just the messenger, so they're just mad that he exposed it all?

If that makes sense, I'm just not seeing it.

Well, think about it, who else would they blame for problems with their beloved console? Microsoft? Naaah !



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ArnoldRimmer on 10 January 2014

Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.



walsufnir on 10 January 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.


Actually I think the demand is much higher than many people assumed. After E3 and all the bad news and the price, 3 million is a very big accomplishment and in launch sales only beaten by PS4 while outperforming every other console ever.



Dark_Feanor on 10 January 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.


I don´t know of anyone that expected more than 3mi throughtout this hollydays.

In fact, many "analists" here... etho... cof, cof, were talking of PS4 outselling Xone by 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. There were those that said it would have difficult to reach WiiU 2 mi mark.

Is that hard to understand that even without Japan, the Xone had the second best launch hollydays ever? Even costing twice the Wii (2006 price, no inflation).



Devil_Survivor on 10 January 2014
J_Allard said:
Only a few of the more desperate people here ever believed the yield/broken OS stuff.


Hardcore Xbots in other words. 



 

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withdreday on 10 January 2014
Porcupine_I said:
withdreday said:
Porcupine_I said:
withdreday said:

Why do Xbox fans hate Cboat so much? He was right about 99% of everything said.


You just answered your own question


lol, I had a feeling that might be the case. But even so, he was just the messenger, so they're just mad that he exposed it all?

If that makes sense, I'm just not seeing it.

Well, think about it, who else would they blame for problems with their beloved console? Microsoft? Naaah !

You mean for the poor marketing and the fact that not too many people want a $500 DVR that moonlights as a game console?



FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.


I don´t know of anyone that expected more than 3mi throughtout this hollydays.

In fact, many "analists" here... etho... cof, cof, were talking of PS4 outselling Xone by 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. There were those that said it would have difficult to reach WiiU 2 mi mark.

Is that hard to understand that even without Japan, the Xone had the second best launch hollydays ever? Even costing twice the Wii (2006 price, no inflation).

Even without japan.. LMAO, implying x1 will sell anytihng in japan, if anything that only hurts your argument as ps4 has yet to launch there making the gap considerably bigger... After xmas the ps4 will sell even a wider gap, x1 is stocked in stores, sales are gonna drop hard for x1 especially in europe.



Dark_Feanor on 10 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
Dark_Feanor said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.


I don´t know of anyone that expected more than 3mi throughtout this hollydays.

In fact, many "analists" here... etho... cof, cof, were talking of PS4 outselling Xone by 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. There were those that said it would have difficult to reach WiiU 2 mi mark.

Is that hard to understand that even without Japan, the Xone had the second best launch hollydays ever? Even costing twice the Wii (2006 price, no inflation).

Even without japan.. LMAO, implying x1 will sell anytihng in japan, if anything that only hurts your argument as ps4 has yet to launch there making the gap considerably bigger... After xmas the ps4 will sell even a wider gap, x1 is stocked in stores, sales are gonna drop hard for x1 especially in europe.

 

My argument is that the XOne is doing great. My point with Japan is that Nintendo is important there and WiiU sold relatively well there.

So if XOne sold more WW than the WiiU without Japan, the conclusion is that it´s doing much better everywhere else.

PS: Sales after hollydays will fell much more for the PS4 since, there is no stock, if you would mind to use just a little of logic. You heard it first here. VGChartz will show Xone outselling PS4 for the first 2 weeks of January.



J_Allard on 10 January 2014
Devil_Survivor said:
J_Allard said:
Only a few of the more desperate people here ever believed the yield/broken OS stuff.


Hardcore Xbots in other words. 





FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Dark_Feanor said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Well, there is a certain truth to the OP.

Back at the time, the revelations about ESRAM yield issues made people believe that Microsoft would have massive problems meeting demand. Many analysts claimed that both Xbox One and PS4 would be constantly sold out until several months into 2014.

The fact that Microsoft massively reduced the number of launch markets - Xbox 360 launched in 36 countries - is clear evidence that even Microsoft believed that they would have problems meeting demand.

Well, we now know that these fears were indeed unjustified, Microsoft had indeed no problem meeting demand. But not because we now know that there are no yield problems, but because Xbox One demand is simply much lower than people assumed.


I don´t know of anyone that expected more than 3mi throughtout this hollydays.

In fact, many "analists" here... etho... cof, cof, were talking of PS4 outselling Xone by 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. There were those that said it would have difficult to reach WiiU 2 mi mark.

Is that hard to understand that even without Japan, the Xone had the second best launch hollydays ever? Even costing twice the Wii (2006 price, no inflation).

Even without japan.. LMAO, implying x1 will sell anytihng in japan, if anything that only hurts your argument as ps4 has yet to launch there making the gap considerably bigger... After xmas the ps4 will sell even a wider gap, x1 is stocked in stores, sales are gonna drop hard for x1 especially in europe.

 

My argument is that the XOne is doing great. My point with Japan is that Nintendo is important there and WiiU sold relatively well there.

So if XOne sold more WW than the WiiU without Japan, the conclusion is that it´s doing much better everywhere else.

PS: Sales after hollydays will fell much more for the PS4 since, there is no stock, if you would mind to use just a little of logic. You heard it first here. VGChartz will show Xone outselling PS4 for the first 2 weeks of January.

No Ps4 had no stock holidayas either how did that turn out? It is just selling as soon as it arrives.  LMAo at x1 outselling ps4 jan. Why have sony not announced 3 million yet?