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Azerth said:
Geez he wasnt wrong obviously ms changed things after he said it or he only heard the beginning of the sentence duh cobalt is never wrong

Except when he is and everyone makes excuses for him

lol

I like the shifting goal posts in the thread now. From "complete disaster" and "the entire OS was a lie" stuff GAF was saying to "well there were some small glitches and issues so technically i guess they were right". Adorable.



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Dark_Feanor said:
bananaking21 said:

could you link me to where Cboat said there will be a widespread catastrophic failures? because i dont remember him posting that. 

OS issues on PS3, PS4 vita, galaxy or any other device are completely irrelevant. as cboat was talking about the xbox one only. no comparison was made and frankly, they dont matter in this subject, again, this is all about xbox one. 


http://ejectdisk.com/rumor-according-cboat-720p-tip-iceberg-xbox-one-problems/

 

If CBOAT ever spills publicly what s/he shared via PM regarding a myriad of other technical issues going on right now…I’m going right back in that shelter and welding it shut.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-one-rushed-hardware-games-at-900p-hardware-fa-30850978/?page=4

CBOAT has gone on the record to say that the console is being rushed to the market, and that Microsoft have not planned the hardware properly- according to him, a 2014 release for the console would have been much suited, because as it stands now, the console will almost certainly have reliability issues like the Xbox 360′s Red Ring of Death.

The console in question [the one that CBOAT is talking about] is a zebra turned stress machine for hardware/heat issues testing.”

 

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1902618&page=13

More leaks from the snap crashes (one of the Xbox One's best features IMO) and general OS faults. 

I don't know if I'm being to cynical but does this mean every UI video Microsoft have shown has been a representation of the final product? Sony must be glad they done a real time demo at Gamescom.


you are quoting gamestop? i said quote Cboat. not others. 



Dark_Feanor said:

http://ejectdisk.com/rumor-according-cboat-720p-tip-iceberg-xbox-one-problems/

 

If CBOAT ever spills publicly what s/he shared via PM regarding a myriad of other technical issues going on right now…I’m going right back in that shelter and welding it shut.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-one-rushed-hardware-games-at-900p-hardware-fa-30850978/?page=4

CBOAT has gone on the record to say that the console is being rushed to the market, and that Microsoft have not planned the hardware properly- according to him, a 2014 release for the console would have been much suited, because as it stands now, the console will almost certainly have reliability issues like the Xbox 360′s Red Ring of Death.

The console in question [the one that CBOAT is talking about] is a zebra turned stress machine for hardware/heat issues testing.”

 

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1902618&page=13

More leaks from the snap crashes (one of the Xbox One's best features IMO) and general OS faults. 

I don't know if I'm being to cynical but does this mean every UI video Microsoft have shown has been a representation of the final product? Sony must be glad they done a real time demo at Gamescom.

http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/xbox-one-os-issues-update-snap-problem/

In another set of tweets (which I won’t embed due to expletives), he states the following:

 

 

1. PSN is much further ahead than Xbox Live. XB1 Online is clusterf–k city.

2. Snap feature is causing stupid amounts of crashes.

 

3. And this is from a dev: “No matter what they do with tools, ES RAM will always be a bottleneck. No chance in hell for parity with PS4.”

You are using some sites works of what CBOAT said... he never said anything close to RROD... quote the CBOAT words in GAF.



those cboat fanatics are special. Proven wrong, still claim to be right.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

How is posting stacks of unsold Xbox Ones supposed to help your point?



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

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I don't really understand this, to be honest. We know a lot of what the people on NeoGaf say is anecdotal and based on what they hear from other people in the industry, which itself is often anecdotal. That means it's never going to be 100% correct. It might be partially correct, which actually isn't so bad. Sometimes it's even going to be wrong, often for valid reasons, such as developers not having hardware/software versions that are up to date with Microsoft fixes and reworks.

What this thread is seemingly saying is, "if they're wrong once, THEY'RE ALWAYS WRONG," which has obviously not been the case, and, "if one user is wrong, THEY'RE ALL WRONG," which is just silly.

Personally, I'd rather hear this information, even though I'm aware that things can change rapidly which might make it untrue. Because I understand the nature of such information, I'm perfectly capable of holding it within my mind as a possibility without believing it to be gospel or getting upset if it turns out to be false. I do not expect complete accuracy, as that's basically impossible for anyone not highly placed within a company, and then that's ONLY for the company for which they work.

Basically, this crusade against NeoGaf looks awfully reactionary and childish to me. Just say, "I think they were wrong on this," and move on.



Dark_Feanor said:
OS problems were a straight foward lie, in fact.

Yeild issues are a little harder to prove or disprove. MS could be spending a buttload of money in production, and we may never know unless AMD/Foundry disclaim there roports, which they won´t.



Not necessarily you know. X1 has still not streaming services (twitch) and some features (snap?) at launch day were buggy/laggy on X1 (better now apparently).

One can guess that streaming services like twitch created numerous bugs with the OS or even game crashes. Why would someone decide to remove twitch at the last moment? For such an important feature and available at launch on the competition?

And yield issue could mean many things like you said. Maybe there was yield issues when they tried to do some overclocking like 900mhz for the GPU or 2ghz for the CPU. Also yield issues is relative to some percentage of defective APU. Maybe they are losing 1% of the APU instead of 0.1% for the PS4, stuff like that.



The FUD served it's purpose and helped push the PS4 sales over the XBO. Calling it out now does about as much good as calling out Sony's 2005 E3 in-game footage ...



We should be able to tell from MS's earnings

Massive loss implies low yields



Soleron said:
We should be able to tell from MS's earnings

Massive loss implies low yields


They always covered Xbox looses with others products... in the lastest years they are adding a heavly prifiable patent in the division... this patent covered some billion looses from Xbox and Live