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kurasakiichimaru said:
ethomaz said:

Picture for the OP.



Need gif zooming ito Andrew House's Face.

 


Yep, he looks like a cat that just tucked into a mouse or a canary.   



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW! 
 


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DonFerrari said:
Aerys said:

Funny thing :  PS4 finally did better than One + Wii U last week : http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41630/Global/


VGC numbers aren't precise so you can't quote them.


you can if it favours Sony, otherwise they are overtracked or under tracked lol.



 

 

CobrSony numbers2 said:
DonFerrari said:
Aerys said:

Funny thing :  PS4 finally did better than One + Wii U last week : http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41630/Global/


VGC numbers aren't precise so you can't quote them.


you can if it favours Sony, otherwise they are overtracked or under tracked lol.

All sony numbers are undertracked.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

sully1311 said:

http://talkingship.com/wp/2014/01/07/no-sony-have-not-won-the-console-wars/

No, Sony Have Not Won the Console Wars

Shaxster | On 07, Jan 2014

  

Today, Sony announced they sold 4.2 million PlayStation 4s worldwide in 2013. This is, inevitably, compared to the Xbox One, 3 million of which were sold in the same period (give or take a few days, based on release dates). Of course, everyone looks at these figures and thinks that Sony have clearly won the console wars. They’ve sold 1.2 million more consoles, after all! Game over!

Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one.

This decreased demand is made up for by the increased revenue, however. I’ve run the numbers, and calculated that Sony sold about $1.68 billion worth of consoles, whilst Microsoft sold about $1.50 billion. That’s assuming an average RRP of $399 and $499 respectively, which is obviously not correct (prices are higher in other territories). This is a different of $180 million: a not-insignificant difference, but hardly game-changing when we’re talking about billions. To put it into perspective, that difference is just 12% of Xbox One’s total revenue.

But that’s not all. Of course, Microsoft and Sony have different profit margins on their products. Microsoft make $28 per console, resulting in a rough profit estimate of $84 million. Meanwhile, Sony squeezes just $18 out of each PS4, leading to noticeably lower profits: just $75.6 million.

Now, I’d ask you to bear in mind that companies exist to make profits. That’s the end game: making lots of money. Not having loads of users. Not making the best games. Not having a marginally higher resolution and frame rate onBattlefield 7: Death Killing Edition. Making money. And what we see from these figures is that Microsoft are, at this point in time, making more money from Xbox One sales than Sony are from PS4 sales. Almost $10 million more. And I think those numbers do a much better job of showing the real winner of the console wars than some sales stats.

Wow that's something worthy of Major Nelson, great read thanks



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

Greatness Awaits!

DonFerrari said:
Damagon said:

"Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one"

 

Agreed. It's just so obvious and completely ridiculous. This why the $100 more  expensive PS3 has sold less than the 360....  Oh wait.

Must have been a huge error in logic.  



But that is the reason why Wii outsold Xbox 360 you see.


Basic economies tell us jack shit. If basic economies hold true then Gamecube should've outsold the PS2. iPhone 5S which cost 700 euro would get outsold by a 600 euro Android smartphone.

 

That website is just damage controlling ROLF



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Turkish said:
DonF  rari said:
Damagon saise 

"Except…no. That’s a huge error in loalô . Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one"

 

Agreed. It's just so obvious and completely ridiculous. This why the $100 more  expensive PS3 has sold less than the 360....  Oh wait.

Must have been a huge error in logic.  



But that is the reason why Wii outsold Xbox 360 you see.


Basic economies tell us jack shit. If basic economies hold true then Gamecube should've outsold the PS2. iPhone 5S which cost 700 euro would get outsold by a 600 euro Android smartphone.

 

That website is just damage controlling ROLF

Basic economy tell  us not to expend what we  don't have, yet governments do that all the time.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

That Andrew House's face!



sully1311 said:

http://talkingship.com/wp/2014/01/07/no-sony-have-not-won-the-console-wars/

No, Sony Have Not Won the Console Wars

Shaxster | On 07, Jan 2014

  

Today, Sony announced they sold 4.2 million PlayStation 4s worldwide in 2013. This is, inevitably, compared to the Xbox One, 3 million of which were sold in the same period (give or take a few days, based on release dates). Of course, everyone looks at these figures and thinks that Sony have clearly won the console wars. They’ve sold 1.2 million more consoles, after all! Game over!

Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one.

This decreased demand is made up for by the increased revenue, however. I’ve run the numbers, and calculated that Sony sold about $1.68 billion worth of consoles, whilst Microsoft sold about $1.50 billion. That’s assuming an average RRP of $399 and $499 respectively, which is obviously not correct (prices are higher in other territories). This is a different of $180 million: a not-insignificant difference, but hardly game-changing when we’re talking about billions. To put it into perspective, that difference is just 12% of Xbox One’s total revenue.

But that’s not all. Of course, Microsoft and Sony have different profit margins on their products. Microsoft make $28 per console, resulting in a rough profit estimate of $84 million. Meanwhile, Sony squeezes just $18 out of each PS4, leading to noticeably lower profits: just $75.6 million.

Now, I’d ask you to bear in mind that companies exist to make profits. That’s the end game: making lots of money. Not having loads of users. Not making the best games. Not having a marginally higher resolution and frame rate onBattlefield 7: Death Killing Edition. Making money. And what we see from these figures is that Microsoft are, at this point in time, making more money from Xbox One sales than Sony are from PS4 sales. Almost $10 million more. And I think those numbers do a much better job of showing the real winner of the console wars than some sales stats.

By saying MS and sony make money of every console sold makes this article already invalid lol



pezus said:
sales2099 said:

The sales being what they are. Geographical availability, cheaper, positive PR and all.....

I get it that fans are happy with the news. But I just raise an eyebrow at some posts here thats all.

Tell me, was PS4 winning both UK and US expected too?


Well sure given what I said above. Thankfully the US lead is super temporary :)



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

A year ago I was genuinely worried about excitement for next generation. Yet, out of the gate at least the PS4 is breaking records. Very good to see optimism back, may it continue.