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Forums - Sales - PS4 @ 4.2 Million as of Dec 28th - Software @ 9.7 Million - 90% Increase in PS Plus Subs

Somini said:
sully1311 said:
Somini said:

This needs it's own thread!

Anyone interested in making it?

Someone that's not happy with the PS4's performance maybe

You make it!

 

It really is a pathetic article though.

But i'm happy with the PS4's performance, i don't want to spin it.

Made the thread... put some spice on it, please see.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=175639



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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So, you see, when we said PS4 is undertracked by vg chart :)



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

sully1311 said:

http://talkingship.com/wp/2014/01/07/no-sony-have-not-won-the-console-wars/

No, Sony Have Not Won the Console Wars

Shaxster | On 07, Jan 2014

  

Today, Sony announced they sold 4.2 million PlayStation 4s worldwide in 2013. This is, inevitably, compared to the Xbox One, 3 million of which were sold in the same period (give or take a few days, based on release dates). Of course, everyone looks at these figures and thinks that Sony have clearly won the console wars. They’ve sold 1.2 million more consoles, after all! Game over!

Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one.

This decreased demand is made up for by the increased revenue, however. I’ve run the numbers, and calculated that Sony sold about $1.68 billion worth of consoles, whilst Microsoft sold about $1.50 billion. That’s assuming an average RRP of $399 and $499 respectively, which is obviously not correct (prices are higher in other territories). This is a different of $180 million: a not-insignificant difference, but hardly game-changing when we’re talking about billions. To put it into perspective, that difference is just 12% of Xbox One’s total revenue.

But that’s not all. Of course, Microsoft and Sony have different profit margins on their products. Microsoft make $28 per console, resulting in a rough profit estimate of $84 million. Meanwhile, Sony squeezes just $18 out of each PS4, leading to noticeably lower profits: just $75.6 million.

Now, I’d ask you to bear in mind that companies exist to make profits. That’s the end game: making lots of money. Not having loads of users. Not making the best games. Not having a marginally higher resolution and frame rate onBattlefield 7: Death Killing Edition. Making money. And what we see from these figures is that Microsoft are, at this point in time, making more money from Xbox One sales than Sony are from PS4 sales. Almost $10 million more. And I think those numbers do a much better job of showing the real winner of the console wars than some sales stats.

More money from consoles... Do they not realise that people also buy games and accessories?



sully1311 said:

http://talkingship.com/wp/2014/01/07/no-sony-have-not-won-the-console-wars/

No, Sony Have Not Won the Console Wars

Shaxster | On 07, Jan 2014

  

Today, Sony announced they sold 4.2 million PlayStation 4s worldwide in 2013. This is, inevitably, compared to the Xbox One, 3 million of which were sold in the same period (give or take a few days, based on release dates). Of course, everyone looks at these figures and thinks that Sony have clearly won the console wars. They’ve sold 1.2 million more consoles, after all! Game over!

Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one.

This decreased demand is made up for by the increased revenue, however. I’ve run the numbers, and calculated that Sony sold about $1.68 billion worth of consoles, whilst Microsoft sold about $1.50 billion. That’s assuming an average RRP of $399 and $499 respectively, which is obviously not correct (prices are higher in other territories). This is a different of $180 million: a not-insignificant difference, but hardly game-changing when we’re talking about billions. To put it into perspective, that difference is just 12% of Xbox One’s total revenue.

But that’s not all. Of course, Microsoft and Sony have different profit margins on their products. Microsoft make $28 per console, resulting in a rough profit estimate of $84 million. Meanwhile, Sony squeezes just $18 out of each PS4, leading to noticeably lower profits: just $75.6 million.

Now, I’d ask you to bear in mind that companies exist to make profits. That’s the end game: making lots of money. Not having loads of users. Not making the best games. Not having a marginally higher resolution and frame rate onBattlefield 7: Death Killing Edition. Making money. And what we see from these figures is that Microsoft are, at this point in time, making more money from Xbox One sales than Sony are from PS4 sales. Almost $10 million more. And I think those numbers do a much better job of showing the real winner of the console wars than some sales stats.

Ouch. Thats a pretty bad article. The profits that both MS and Sony make from hardware sales is insignificant. They make the bulk of their profits (in gaming) from software sales. So having "loads of users" is indeed part of the end game as that results in increased software sales and subscriptions. All resulting in increased profits.



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Great numbers and it shows that there was a pent up demand for a new gen , how it goes down the years is any ones guess , but it's come flying out the blocks , I thought the PS4 would do great but never expected it to set these kind of records .



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Carl2291 said:
ethomaz said:
300k for me is undertracked... I told that to ioi yesterday... the % didn't matter because if so you can have a 100m console with 10m off from the real number.


You have to look at the dates.

Within a lifetime obviously the range of accuracy drops. It wouldnt be acceptable to be 10 Million off. Within a few days/weeks, that range of accuracy is increased simply because the total isnt large.

Bretts numbers are around 7% off the official number. If you cant give props for that tracking then youre expecting too much out of your free service.

We will probably see an adjustment for it, but its nothing worth crying over. Good tracking.

Sh1nn said:
"PS4 software sales remained strong through the holiday season with more than 9.7 million*2 copies sold in retail stores worldwide and through digital downloads on PlayStation®Store"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96226318&postcount=429

Thanks. Will add to OP.

well xbox one and PS4 tracking seems pretty spot on, but for some of the other consoles it doesnt appear to be. also much of the software is horribly tracked (that needs to be fixed asap)

 

but great job on PS4, xboxone



 

Sony Domination alright.

 

Ps2 all over again, Congrats



Aerys said:
So, you see, when we said PS4 is undertracked by vg chart :)

But people says we said that without any evidence



ethomaz said:
Aerys said:
So, you see, when we said PS4 is undertracked by vg chart :)

But people says we said that without any evidence


It was... since Sony haven't said anything about selling 3M so VGC were obviously overtacking it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

"Except…no. That’s a huge error in logic. Because what almost everyone is forgetting is the difference in price: the Xbox One costs $100 more. And basic economics tells us that when prices are higher, demand is lower. Obviously. So it would be ridiculous to expect the X1 to have sold as well as the PS4. These figures should surprise no one"

 

Agreed. It's just so obvious and completely ridiculous. This why the $100 more  expensive PS3 has sold less than the 360....  Oh wait.

Must have been a huge error in logic.