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Nintendo going 3rd party would be...

The end of all! 163 44.66%
 
A wash compared to where they are at now 71 19.45%
 
A smarter business move financially speaking 45 12.33%
 
The happiest day of Sony ... 86 23.56%
 
Total:365

As much as haters want it, no, Nintendo wouldn´t be more profitable as a third-party developers only. First because Sony and MS fans would never buy Nintendo games even on their platform of choice. Nintendo has its own audience and it would be just a smaller company with smaller profits



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anonymunchy said:
KBG29 said:
I think the Wii proved that if Nintendo has a big enough platform their game sales will scale accordingly. So, if they opened their games up to the entire 250M large user base of the console world, and the Billion plus mobile market, they could rake in massive amounts of cash. Well beyond anything they have ever done in the past.

JoeTheBro said:
Every time a game sells on the Wii U or 3DS, Nintendo makes money. I can't divulge the specific amount, but it's a considerable fee. If Nintendo went third party they'd lose that huge source of income. All of their games would have to sell much much better to offset the loss of these fees.

On top of that, Nintendo also makes money on the hardware. The returns can be good on the systems in later years but they make a killing on accessories. The wii remote does not cost even close to $40 to make.

 

 

 

 

I was going to write my own reply but JoeTheBro already covers everything I wanted to say so here's his post again.

Constantly selling 20 - 30M units of games would be much more profitable than 6M one gen, 25M the next, and 4M the next. We are talking about games that sell better than GTA and COD on much lower budgets. Retro Marios, 3D Marios, Mario Kart, Pokemon, all these titles could sell 20M plus, may even see 30M or more in some cases. Those kind of sales would outweight the difference between 1st and 3rd party royalties.



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Hibern81 said:

This is simply a question, and not an underlying desire whatsoever. I, for one, would hate to see nintendo leave the console business.  Tha said I've often wondered if the transition would actually be more of a profitable one. Seeing as I do not have the insight or business knowledge I leave it to minds greater than mine.

Your question is commonly posed by trolls and people with axes to grind, but I will presume you are honestly curious yet ignorant.  Joe the Bro has given a pretty good answer.  If you missed it, here's the short version:  Not only does Nintendo profit on its hardware, but it also gets significant cuts of the sales of other publishers' games on their consoles, while keeping the cut they would have had to give Sony or MS if Nintendo published on their consoles.  The increased audience isn't worth it.  



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Absolutely not right now! Nintendo would probably have to go below a 10 % hardware market share in order to even consider going third party from a business perspective.

However, I wouldn't rule out them going semi third party either by making games for smartphones or by licensing some of their intellectual properties to software companies making smartphone games.



Let's hope it never happens. Nintendo would probably end up focusing a 100% on their biggest franchises that are sure to make a profit, while neglecting other franchises altogether. Not that big a difference you might say, but we would.t see any Endless Ocean, Punch Out, Sin & Punishment, Fatal Frame, ExciteTruck, F-Zero or Wave Race titles ever again. We would see a lot fewer games.

Look at Sega's output after they went 3rd party and compare it to their games before that.



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Oh look, the 124352th topic on Nintendo going third party. Man, Nintendo games must be even better than I thought, since soooo many people are dying to play them on other consoles hahaha. 

Oh and to answer your question, absolutely not. Nintendo going third party would be death for the company, or at least of its soul. Just ask Sega.



I can't see how they could possibly be more profitable considering the billions upon billions they've made off of hardware over the years.

Also, English is not my native language. Could you explain which answer in the poll means yes and which one means no?



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Seece said:
Purple said:
Seece said:
Purple said:
Seece said:
Nah, they would need to sell twice the amount of software, on platforms that have 3 fold the competition.


Ahh this old myth. Care to explain why you think this would be the case?

Which part?

Why they'd need to increase their software sales.

Because they would need to give a portion of their profits to Microsoft and Sony?

From my understanding, First party games net you 60% total sale, third party net 30%.

For starters there are plenty of other alternatives to releasing titles on Microsoft and Sony platforms. But if they do go that way the platform royalty payments are nowhere near 30%. The highest estimate I've seen is ~11%, and that figure is lower for full price titles from large publishers. Nintendo could avoid royalty payments entirely by selling their titles exclusively on one console provider.

They'd lose the royalty payments they receive of course but that would be offset by the massive savings by cutting R&D and losses made on selling the console.

 



When people ask this question, I often think of Sega. If anyone remembers, Sega did not want to go third party. They had to. They had no choice. I think Isao Okawa understood the consequences of Sega going third party, even though he knew it would have to happen eventually. Nintendo is not in that situation and most likely won't be In that situation for a long time. Culturally, Sega was no more. Without their own hardware, they lost the competitive edge they once had. People left and all Sega is now is just a name. I think Satoru Iwata understands this better than just about any stock owner.



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mjo011 said:
Let's hope it never happens. Nintendo would probably end up focusing a 100% on their biggest franchises that are sure to make a profit, while neglecting other franchises altogether. Not that big a difference you might say, but we would.t see any Endless Ocean, Punch Out, Sin & Punishment, Fatal Frame, ExciteTruck, F-Zero or Wave Race titles ever again. We would see a lot fewer games.

Look at Sega's output after they went 3rd party and compare it to their games before that.

Having a larger market to sell to would actually encourage Nintendo to produce those games. Currently Nintendo has to focus 100% on their biggest franchises as they rely on popular software to make huge profits to cover the losses incurred by selling the console. Look at the Wii U's current lineup, it's incredibly safe bar The Wonderful 101 and you can be sure Nintendo won't be making a mistake like funding that game again. If they were third party they'd be safer making new titles as they can sell to a huge market and they won't be relying on games to sell their undesirable hardware.

The Sega situation is in no way comparable. They were a company that went almost bankrupt and then went third party. Of course their output declined, they had to cut most of their devs as they ran out of money persisting with a failing hardware division. Nintendo going third party sooner rather than later would avoid this exact scenario.