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aryu on 05 January 2014

On topic, X1 will, no doubt, outsell the Wii U. The real question is when!
I believe this to be late 2014- early 2015.



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Insekticida on 05 January 2014

What a dumb question



Captain_Tom on 05 January 2014
nomad said:
Captain_Tom said:
Yes, by the end of March. Next question.


No way. That would mean XboxOne will equal (or nearly ==) PS4 in sales and WiiU sales will once again stagnate.

The PS4 will pass it by the end of February.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2014
superhippy420 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
spurgeonryan said:

Not unless it cracks the Japanese code.

 

So no.

Maybe if Microsoft immediately dumps the 360 like they did the original xbox.

 

agree? or what do you think mister/misses sales expert?

Theres naturally more demand in the west for an Xbox than a Nintendo console. The Xbone will pass the Wii U by the middle or end of summer. They don't need Japan to beat Nintendo. They never have and never will.

Is that really true though.  The 3DS is a Portable (which suppossedly doesnt sell as well as consoles in the US) and Nintendo (which isnt suppossed to be as popular as Microsoft) and it is still the top selling console in the US.   I'm not even saying that the Xbone / PS4 will do that bad in the US this year, but clearly once Nintendos big games are out, the demand for their consoles go way up.   They could have sold 130 million Wii's last gen but the support for the last couple of years was pretty lame, and it still sold 100m.


The 3DS is a handheld, not a typical console. Different group of people they are appealing to. Japans handheld market is healthy still even though their console sales have been going down.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2014
aryu said:
superhippy420 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
spurgeonryan said:

Not unless it cracks the Japanese code.

 

So no.

Maybe if Microsoft immediately dumps the 360 like they did the original xbox.

 

agree? or what do you think mister/misses sales expert?

Theres naturally more demand in the west for an Xbox than a Nintendo console. The Xbone will pass the Wii U by the middle or end of summer. They don't need Japan to beat Nintendo. They never have and never will.

Is that really true though.  The 3DS is a Portable (which suppossedly doesnt sell as well as consoles in the US) and Nintendo (which isnt suppossed to be as popular as Microsoft) and it is still the top selling console in the US.   I'm not even saying that the Xbone / PS4 will do that bad in the US this year, but clearly once Nintendos big games are out, the demand for their consoles go way up.   They could have sold 130 million Wii's last gen but the support for the last couple of years was pretty lame, and it still sold 100m.

I've bolded the contradictory statements.

3DS is a handheld, not a console. The best selling console IS still the PS2 and the best selling handheld IS the DS.


^This. I didn't see your response earlier. Makes what I wrote sound redundant. 



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 05 January 2014
IsawYoshi said:
zorg1000 said:
bonzobanana said:
There is one huge factor in wii u's favour that people are overlooking. The wii u is an incredibly cheap design with low manufacturing costs.

Nintendo have tried to sell the wii u at an inflated price and its struggled but ultimately the wii u will have lower manufacturing costs than a hard drive equipped ps3 or 360. The wii u is fully capable of being sold at a very low price.

There is hardly anything of value in the wii u component wise and they have not used functionality that requires licensing.

1. The chipset is on a 40/45nm process. GPU 40nm and cpu 45nm this is the same or worse than 360 and PS3. The xbox one and ps4 are on a much more expensive 28nm process.

2. There is no hard drive and only a small amount of low speed flash memory.

3. It requires far less power than 360 or PS3 and hence all power components are of lower spec and cheaper.

4. The gamepad screen is just a very low cost resistive screen probably only costing a few dollars.

5. The DDR memory chips are very low speed basic chips, below the memory bandwidth of 360 and PS3 (wii u uses embedded 32MB of memory to compensate for this).

6. Optical drives are not expensive now even higher density drives and there is no support for multiple layers on wii u.

7. They have no licensed royalties to pay. The wii u will not output dolby or dts 5.1 or 7.1 it just uses 5.1 lpcm. It does not have any bluray movie playback or media centre functionality requiring licensed codecs.

8. The radeon gpu is near entry level mobility spec with low licensing costs.

9. The gamepad is missing some functionality like analogue triggers and they use a very low spec battery pack that lasts only 4-5hrs.

10, Obviously the case etc is very basic, minimal size and the circuit board for both the console and gamepad is very low cost.

I'm just making the point Nintendo can price the wii u far more aggressively than ps4 and xbox one. Lets not forget the wii u on average performs lower than 360 and PS3 and the design is using very low cost technology of today. Nintendo have very cleverly used very low cost components in a way that maximises their performance.

Will people be predicting the xbox one will outsell the wii u if the wii u is priced at £99 or £129 etc, maybe $150 in the states. The wii u is fully capable of reaching a budget price point for next christmas that would be impossible for ps4 and xbox one without absolutely huge losses.

Clearly Nintendo loves to make huge profits on weak hardware but they have a card they can play if they have to.

Also the wii u is the only console which is an upgrade route. For current wii owners who basically only use their wii casually, fitness games etc. The wii u represents an upgrade path where they can still use all their old wii software. The pricing of the wii u console may not be right yet but of those 100 million wii users I think many will upgrade when the wii u console hits the right price.

The key thing is at the moment the wii u doesn't represent a fair performance level for its current pricing but that can change.

I think the ps4 is the almost definite winner of this generation but its harder to tell with xbox one vs wii u. I mean the ps4 can basically do anything the xbox one can do but better with the exception of kinect features which most people don't want. The xbox 360 was the king of multiformat gaming vs ps3 but this time around the ps4 beats xbox one considerably by a far higher margin.

Ultimately either could beat the other depending on console pricing, marketing and their exclusive games. Both companies have been poorly managed recently with a lot of poor decisions made. I'm still amazed at how low Nintendo set the wii u spec to the point where it struggles to match ps3 and 360 for multiformat games.

Wii U is sold at a loss at $299 they arent in any position to drastically reduce price

Unless they drop the gamepad that is. 

Dropping the gamepad isnt going to help Nintendo's bottom line



TheLastStarFighter on 05 January 2014
Recon1O1 said:
No problem at all. Trust me.

Good argument!



IsawYoshi on 06 January 2014
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
IsawYoshi said:
zorg1000 said:
bonzobanana said:
There is one huge factor in wii u's favour that people are overlooking. The wii u is an incredibly cheap design with low manufacturing costs.

Nintendo have tried to sell the wii u at an inflated price and its struggled but ultimately the wii u will have lower manufacturing costs than a hard drive equipped ps3 or 360. The wii u is fully capable of being sold at a very low price.

There is hardly anything of value in the wii u component wise and they have not used functionality that requires licensing.

1. The chipset is on a 40/45nm process. GPU 40nm and cpu 45nm this is the same or worse than 360 and PS3. The xbox one and ps4 are on a much more expensive 28nm process.

2. There is no hard drive and only a small amount of low speed flash memory.

3. It requires far less power than 360 or PS3 and hence all power components are of lower spec and cheaper.

4. The gamepad screen is just a very low cost resistive screen probably only costing a few dollars.

5. The DDR memory chips are very low speed basic chips, below the memory bandwidth of 360 and PS3 (wii u uses embedded 32MB of memory to compensate for this).

6. Optical drives are not expensive now even higher density drives and there is no support for multiple layers on wii u.

7. They have no licensed royalties to pay. The wii u will not output dolby or dts 5.1 or 7.1 it just uses 5.1 lpcm. It does not have any bluray movie playback or media centre functionality requiring licensed codecs.

8. The radeon gpu is near entry level mobility spec with low licensing costs.

9. The gamepad is missing some functionality like analogue triggers and they use a very low spec battery pack that lasts only 4-5hrs.

10, Obviously the case etc is very basic, minimal size and the circuit board for both the console and gamepad is very low cost.

I'm just making the point Nintendo can price the wii u far more aggressively than ps4 and xbox one. Lets not forget the wii u on average performs lower than 360 and PS3 and the design is using very low cost technology of today. Nintendo have very cleverly used very low cost components in a way that maximises their performance.

Will people be predicting the xbox one will outsell the wii u if the wii u is priced at £99 or £129 etc, maybe $150 in the states. The wii u is fully capable of reaching a budget price point for next christmas that would be impossible for ps4 and xbox one without absolutely huge losses.

Clearly Nintendo loves to make huge profits on weak hardware but they have a card they can play if they have to.

Also the wii u is the only console which is an upgrade route. For current wii owners who basically only use their wii casually, fitness games etc. The wii u represents an upgrade path where they can still use all their old wii software. The pricing of the wii u console may not be right yet but of those 100 million wii users I think many will upgrade when the wii u console hits the right price.

The key thing is at the moment the wii u doesn't represent a fair performance level for its current pricing but that can change.

I think the ps4 is the almost definite winner of this generation but its harder to tell with xbox one vs wii u. I mean the ps4 can basically do anything the xbox one can do but better with the exception of kinect features which most people don't want. The xbox 360 was the king of multiformat gaming vs ps3 but this time around the ps4 beats xbox one considerably by a far higher margin.

Ultimately either could beat the other depending on console pricing, marketing and their exclusive games. Both companies have been poorly managed recently with a lot of poor decisions made. I'm still amazed at how low Nintendo set the wii u spec to the point where it struggles to match ps3 and 360 for multiformat games.

Wii U is sold at a loss at $299 they arent in any position to drastically reduce price

Unless they drop the gamepad that is. 

Dropping the gamepad isnt going to help Nintendo's bottom line

-.- I've already explained this once. 



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 06 January 2014

An explanation with incorrect assumptions backing them is not going to put Nintendo in a position to profit off the WiiU.



TheLastStarFighter on 06 January 2014

I don't see One passing U as it stands now. I think One is in a very ugly place. If Kart and Smash drop in the early part of the year, U could have solid early sales and big Christmas in 2014. I'm starting to see One's lag on store shelves now. With most of its library available on the cheaper and better PS4 I think the One is in a bad place.