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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 Will Probably Outsell Wii U by Spring Globally - Michael Pachter

eyeofcore said:
DerNebel said:

Well pack it up guys, cause the Wii U is doing something unheard of, it's selling better in the holidays than it did during the rest of the year.

You have failed and failed to understand my point, continue to fail as you fail again and again in endless fails you have.

Also putting my point out of context shows that you don't have credibility, my point is just to make it clear to you since it seems you can comprehend it is that when looking at how it performed most of 2013 that it is amazing that it could perform those numbers it got in December with some weeks almost matching of those at launch...

Of course it will sell more in holidays and of course you will stretch my point out of context or wrongly comprehend the context/point of it as it seems that you lack something in your head, some specific type of cells.

My point is that Wii U exceeded expectactions of many with its performance in holidays of 2013 since most people expect it to have similar sales as rest of the year... That is really my point and you can twist it, flop it and that yet you know my point and you can try to put it out of context which will further prove that you don't have credibility...

If you can't understand my point then ask me to clarifiy it a bit more...

Wow, spoken like a true angry teenager that thinks he's right all the time.

First no, nothing about those holiday numbers is amazing, they're the lowest second holiday season numbers for any home console we have numbers for on this site, they're the lowest sales of a home console this holiday aside from the Wii and they're 4th/5th lowest overall holiday season for a home console after the first holiday of the 360 and PS3 and this and maybe last year for the Wii.

Also that you call it impressive that the Wii U almost matches some launch weeks this holiday really shows how bad the Wii U is doing, a second holiday should beat the first holiday easily and not almost reach it.

And the Wii U exceeded the expectations of many with its performance? Where are you taking that knowledge from? Looking at this thread I'd say that the Wii U is pretty much inline with the average expectation for this holiday.



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DerNebel said:

Wow, spoken like a true angry teenager that thinks he's right all the time.

First no, nothing about those holiday numbers is amazing, they're the lowest second holiday season numbers for any home console we have numbers for on this site, they're the lowest sales of a home console this holiday aside from the Wii and they're 4th/5th lowest overall holiday season for a home console after the first holiday of the 360 and PS3 and this and maybe last year for the Wii.

Also that you call it impressive that the Wii U almost matches some launch weeks this holiday really shows how bad the Wii U is doing, a second holiday should beat the first holiday easily and not almost reach it.

And the Wii U exceeded the expectations of many with its performance? Where are you taking that knowledge from? Looking at this thread I'd say that the Wii U is pretty much inline with the average expectation for this holiday.

and that thread was in oct. go back a month and it gets worse. a month before that. worse



zorg1000 said:
end of 2013 sales will likely be 5.25m for Wii U and about 3.75m for PS4 so Wii U has about a 1.5m lead to start the year.

Q1 of this year will likely be better for Wii U than it was last year due to more improved library, cheaper entry point and a big hitter in Donkey Kong Country. According to Vgchartz Wii U sold about 600k from Dec 30 2012-Mar 30 2013 so I could see it doing between 750k-1.25m in Q1 putting it in the 6-6.5m range. Then in the Spring Mario Kart releases which will be big so I could see another 1-1.5m being sold by the end of June which would put it at 7-8m.

PS4 will still likely have supply issues in the west and is launching in Japan in Feb. Sony is forcasting 5m shipped by the end of Mar but we dont know if thats how much they can manufacture or if its a lowball number so they can exceed expectations. Ill say it will have sold 5-6m by the end of March. By Q2 the stock issue should be solved and it will have launched in all regions so we will start to see what its baseline sales are. Assuming that PS4 averages about 150k per week that would give it 2m for the quarter and 7-8m by the end of June.

By the end of Spring I have Wii U and PS4 both in the 7-8m range so PS4 may or may not pass it by then but either way it wil be close. PS4 will have soundly passed it by the end of the year though.


I agree to most of what you say, even though I believe your estimate for the impact of Mario Kart 8 is a bit conservative, but since we're only talking about the short term impact of Mario Kart 8, it's all really more about WHEN the game is released. The earlier it's released, the greater short term impact, and that's really Nintendo's key to fending off PS4 for as long as possible. I'd say if Mario Kart 8 is released in early Q1, I believe Nintendo have a good chance at staying in front of PS4 beyond the summer (but at the end of year PS4 will still have passed). If Mario Kart 8 is pushed back into Q3, PS4 has a slight chance at passing WiiU as early as May.

All in all I agree with what you say.



i was gonna say something to eyeofforce but its clear he's not gonna be here long. after his predictions fail. but at least its entertaining.



DerNebel said:
eyeofcore said:
DerNebel said:

Well pack it up guys, cause the Wii U is doing something unheard of, it's selling better in the holidays than it did during the rest of the year.

You have failed and failed to understand my point, continue to fail as you fail again and again in endless fails you have.

Also putting my point out of context shows that you don't have credibility, my point is just to make it clear to you since it seems you can comprehend it is that when looking at how it performed most of 2013 that it is amazing that it could perform those numbers it got in December with some weeks almost matching of those at launch...

Of course it will sell more in holidays and of course you will stretch my point out of context or wrongly comprehend the context/point of it as it seems that you lack something in your head, some specific type of cells.

My point is that Wii U exceeded expectactions of many with its performance in holidays of 2013 since most people expect it to have similar sales as rest of the year... That is really my point and you can twist it, flop it and that yet you know my point and you can try to put it out of context which will further prove that you don't have credibility...

If you can't understand my point then ask me to clarifiy it a bit more...

Wow, spoken like a true angry teenager that thinks he's right all the time.

First no, nothing about those holiday numbers is amazing, they're the lowest second holiday season numbers for any home console we have numbers for on this site, they're the lowest sales of a home console this holiday aside from the Wii and they're 4th/5th lowest overall holiday season for a home console after the first holiday of the 360 and PS3 and this and maybe last year for the Wii.

Also that you call it impressive that the Wii U almost matches some launch weeks this holiday really shows how bad the Wii U is doing, a second holiday should beat the first holiday easily and not almost reach it.

And the Wii U exceeded the expectations of many with its performance? Where are you taking that knowledge from? Looking at this thread I'd say that the Wii U is pretty much inline with the average expectation for this holiday.

i cant wait to see the rebuttal for this



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The 8th gen can be explained easily:

Using PC architecture, PS4 became part of Glorious Master Race = Instant WIN.
XBOne could have too, but it ruined all adding expensive kiddy appendage and becoming Ninty rip-off = D0M3.
Wii U is Ninty = D0M3 by definition.

/thread



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Nem said:
How about telling us how much its gonna outsell the X1 aswell?

Oh.. ofc... cause the shock value is in running their mouth about Nintendo.

It tells me everything about how partial he is.


Nem the PS4 has always been ahead of the X1. It passed the X1 when it launched and the gap has been growing since. It's only going to get worse when it launches in Japan.



Darc Requiem said:
Nem said:
How about telling us how much its gonna outsell the X1 aswell?

Oh.. ofc... cause the shock value is in running their mouth about Nintendo.

It tells me everything about how partial he is.


Nem the PS4 has always been ahead of the X1. It passed the X1 when it launched and the gap has been growing since. It's only going to get worse when it launches in Japan.


I know. Its something he doesnt choose to point out.



tbone51 said:
eyeofcore said:
tbone51 said:
torok said:
tbone51 said:

Ok we all know PS4 will dominate but overrated? LMAO. A typical fan would say that about SSB+MK. Smash is one of the most competitive fighters so  yeah, and MK is addictive as hell. Just cuz you dont play them doesn't mean its boring. I mean 34mil+ disagree with u on mk


It is one of my favorite games, but it isn't competitive. SSB isn't balanced. Mortal Kombat and Injustice aren't competitive fighting games too by the same reason. KoF, SF, these are competitive fighting games.


I meant more of melee (but your right) Also have you tried Project M 3.0? Amazing game (mod)! 


I hope that Super Smash Bros U is close to Melee... I heard so many good things about Melee and I have seen videos... My jaw dropped to the floor.

I need to get Gamecube...


you dont need a GCN. You need a Wii+SSBB+ Mod of Project M! Its a better Melee with all the characters from SSBB

 

tbone, that tip made my day! I'll try it ASAP!



Nem said:
Darc Requiem said:
Nem said:
How about telling us how much its gonna outsell the X1 aswell?

Oh.. ofc... cause the shock value is in running their mouth about Nintendo.

It tells me everything about how partial he is.


Nem the PS4 has always been ahead of the X1. It passed the X1 when it launched and the gap has been growing since. It's only going to get worse when it launches in Japan.


I know. Its something he doesnt choose to point out.

? why point out something so obvious? serious question. To be fair Xbone costs 100 bucks more and wasnt on the market a whole year earlier.