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There's nothing wrong with comparing different things. However, it is important to keep the comparisons rational. For example, comparing one console that has plenty of supply to keep up with demand (3DS) to another that has just launched (PS4), which means supply will be at its lowest since it just went into production.

Also, it is completely pointless to bring up a comparison that the thread isn't discussing, as its just off topic and mostly done to stir up other users. If you think your comparison is valid, then just make a thread about it.



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I don't really think comparisons between handheld consoles and tablets/smartphones is exactly fair. Sure there might be some overlap, but the latter are multi-purpose devices, and aren't generally purchased for the same reasons as dedicated devices. It's essentially the same as comparing home consoles to PCs. Though interestingly enough, I never seem to see that comparison here....

In any case, I don't really see the problem in comparisons, as long as the comparisons are valid. The audiences might not be identical, but I think you'll find more overlap with home consoles and handhelds than with handhelds and mobile devices.



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Dream_While_Awake said:

vivster said:

1. Consumers have more time for handhelds. Handhelds are consumed differently than home consoles.

2. Handhelds are cheaper. Screensize and hardware are nowhere near to compare. Again, both serve different needs of consumers.

3. Handhelds and consoles have different target audiences. A big part of handheld consumers have no need for a home console and vice versa.

To pick a less exaggerated comparison: Comparing handhelds to home consoles is like comparing smartphones to desktop computers. They may both do the same things but they do them completely differently. Both have their uses in different fields.

I was just stating that your post was no better than others. An over-exagerated comment that had no purpose.

your points are valid though. We just differ in opinions. My reasoning why consoles and HH's can be compared when smart phones and desktops cannot are because they have similar sales. The PS2 is the best selling system after all beating the DS. The PS also outsold the GBA & PSP.

oldschoolfool said:
if that't the case,then why not compare those systems to Ipads,iphones,pc's. consoles and handheld's are different things.

See above.

The proximity alone is just coincidence and not enough to compare them. After all the motivation of buying them is different. It just so happens that there are an about equal number of people on both sides who would buy them. 5th gen and before were different times. Now there is a giant boom in mobile games as they gained mainstream acceptance. So technically you would have to count any mobile device to play games with but then it's blown out of proportion.

The 3DS will probably be in the same realm of sales as the consoles are at the end of its cycle but again I think that is just coincident as 2 shifts are happening at the same time. One shift away from handhelds to mobile devices(mostly casuals) but at the same time a growing acceptence of handhelds by core gamers as an extension of their gaming on a home console.

I could be wrong on the second part but that's how I see it.



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vivster said:

The proximity alone is just coincidence and not enough to compare them. After all the motivation of buying them is different. It just so happens that there are an about equal number of people on both sides who would buy them. 5th gen and before were different times. Now there is a giant boom in mobile games as they gained mainstream acceptance. So technically you would have to count any mobile device to play games with but then it's blown out of proportion.

The 3DS will probably be in the same realm of sales as the consoles are at the end of its cycle but again I think that is just coincident as 2 shifts are happening at the same time. One shift away from handhelds to mobile devices(mostly casuals) but at the same time a growing acceptence of handhelds by core gamers as an extension of their gaming on a home console.

I could be wrong on the second part but that's how I see it.

This is a sales site though. I'm not trying to compare them in quality or even saying the audience is the same. People are trying to compare ones sales to the other. They have equal opportunity to sell well. People are trying to say it's unfair to compare them which is untrue. Currently, yes because PS4 has supply issues and lacks Japan but in general it is completely fair for both sides.



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Dream_While_Awake said:
vivster said:

The proximity alone is just coincidence and not enough to compare them. After all the motivation of buying them is different. It just so happens that there are an about equal number of people on both sides who would buy them. 5th gen and before were different times. Now there is a giant boom in mobile games as they gained mainstream acceptance. So technically you would have to count any mobile device to play games with but then it's blown out of proportion.

The 3DS will probably be in the same realm of sales as the consoles are at the end of its cycle but again I think that is just coincident as 2 shifts are happening at the same time. One shift away from handhelds to mobile devices(mostly casuals) but at the same time a growing acceptence of handhelds by core gamers as an extension of their gaming on a home console.

I could be wrong on the second part but that's how I see it.

This is a sales site though. I'm not trying to compare them in quality or even saying the audience is the same. People are trying to compare ones sales to the other. They have equal opportunity to sell well. People are trying to say it's unfair to compare them which is untrue. Currently, yes because PS4 has supply issues and lacks Japan but in general it is completely fair for both sides.

But should't a fair comparison be between two equally viable choices that are competing for the same audience?

I agree with you that since this is a sales site and it is valid to compare handheld numbers to home console numbers, especially since they are so close to each other. But it's still not a fair comparison.

For example: You can compare the graphics on handhelds with those of home consoles since both are trying to deliver the best graphic fidelity that they are cabable of. Still it won't be a fair comparison.



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vivster said:

But should't a fair comparison be between two equally viable choices that are competing for the same audience?

I agree with you that since this is a sales site and it is valid to compare handheld numbers to home console numbers, especially since they are so close to each other. But it's still not a fair comparison.

For example: You can compare the graphics on handhelds with those of home consoles since both are trying to deliver the best graphic fidelity that they are cabable of. Still it won't be a fair comparison.

May I ask you why it isn't fair? They have equal opportunity to sell well. Everybody can have their own opinions about if it makes sense to compare the two but I want to know why people (you) think it's unfair. It isn't like it's one sided and one has a bigger audience to sell to. (Sales data shows this) 

It's your opinion and I respect that but I'm just curious.



DD_Bwest said:
As much as people have a right to compare, people have a right to say such a comparison is faulty


Honestly can we stop with these being a victim/complaining about others opinion threads?


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BlowoverKing said:

If there one thing I absolutely HATE about this site is that people seem to think that there are rules about what we can and can't compare. Whenever I enter a thread that says something like "Vita outsells Wii U" or "3DS outsells PS3+360" there ALWAYS has to be people claiming that we aren't aloud to compare them. My question is, WHY?? Is there a law against comparing a handheld to a console? Do we measure handheld sales on a different scale then a console? Nope. 

Honestly people, can we stop the whole "you can't compare the 3DS to PS4 because when the 3DS launched it was partly cloudy with a chance of rain" thing. You have to realise we can compare whatever the fuck we want because their are no rules against it. And if you're going to argue about how comparing two dedicated gaming console can't be compare because one is a handheld and one is a console then please create a metric by which we can compare them otherwise your just going to look like a tool.



Honestly if you can't understand why Vita can only be compared with 3DS and Wii U only with PS4 and Xbox One i think you have a little problem, not us