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ninetailschris said:
Two questions.
Is human rights subjective and if not prove to me there objective. Because other wise your argument is very circular in the sense you create your own terms then proclaim them true because you personally create the rights in your own head. For example, if I said it's disgusting that I can't marry 11 year old would I be right if I just claimed basic human rights?
Second question. Do you honestly feel people scared of homosexuals? The idea is to protect marriage not because we want gays dead or hate gays. Your attacking a straw man or some nazi group here. I know for a fact I don't hate gay people and that I just disagree with it.
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An 11 year old is not an adult and can't give consent. So that argument is irrelevant.
Of there is fear and hatred of homosexuals. Less than there used to be, but a lot of people are afraid that somehow if their children are exposed to homosexuals that they will be more likely to become homosexual. As far as "protecting marraige", that's a joke. If you don't support same-sex marraige, then don't get married to someone of the same sex. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd.
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Consent is a subjective term. If you can think to the ability to read or write that objectivly is consent based on medical terms.Some countries marrying at 12 is perfectly ok. You're arguing from social norm. The only way I can see you argue otherwise is an appeal emotion in which you have prove your feelings are in fact objective, which is logical incoherent.
"Of course there is fear and hatred of homosexuals. "
This has nothing to do with what said as I was saying not everyone hates gays they can seemly disagree. Unless you want prove every single one hate homosexuals.
"As far as "protecting marraige", that's a joke. "
Asserted. You never explained why, besides it doesn't hurt you. If you read my recent post you will see how it actual effects the creditability of rights.
" If you don't support same-sex marraige, then don't get married to someone of the same sex. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd."
Don't force your beliefs onto others? Do you realize you are contradicting yourself? If believe killing should be legal if your mad at the person would you say "If you don't support killing people, then don't kill someone. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules.. It's absurd." That's a subjective opinions for you. In reality we all force morals onto people because if we didn't we would be killing each other and raping children if we pleased. That's how we have laws.Welcome to reality.
Just for let's use your sentence for multiple arguments you may not agree with.
"If you don't support pedophiles , then don't get married to someone who is younger. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd."
"If you don't support beastiality , then don't have sex to animals. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd."
"If you don't support racism, then don't get talk to about it. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules."
"If you don't support slavery, then don't get slaves. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules."
"If you don't support wars, then don't get involved wars. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules."
Now there are two ways I expect you to respond and hope you don't believe it will be logically incoherent.
1. It's not the because we think x is wrong therefor it is.
2. You're wrong because your (insert insult about me personally and avoid the argument or my points)
What want from you is simple. Tell why your personal opinions will tell you are right over without using an appeal to emotion. Don't tell me that it makes you feel sad if x happens because honestly that is irrelevant and counter-factual. If I said I felt sad that abortion was wrong it doesn't make it right. So, please explain logically why your personal opinions are anymore true than the opposite claim without appeal to emotions. I could go into a deeper point but I'm going pretty easy on.