| ninetailschris said:
"Of course there is fear and hatred of homosexuals. " This has nothing to do with what said as I was saying not everyone hates gays they can seemly disagree. Unless you want prove every single one hate homosexuals. "As far as "protecting marraige", that's a joke. " Asserted. You never explained why, besides it doesn't hurt you. If you read my recent post you will see how it actual effects the creditability of rights. " If you don't support same-sex marraige, then don't get married to someone of the same sex. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd." Don't force your beliefs onto others? Do you realize you are contradicting yourself? If believe killing should be legal if your mad at the person would you say "If you don't support killing people, then don't kill someone. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules.. It's absurd." That's a subjective opinions for you. In reality we all force morals onto people because if we didn't we would be killing each other and raping children if we pleased. That's how we have laws.Welcome to reality. Just for let's use your sentence for multiple arguments you may not agree with. "If you don't support pedophiles , then don't get married to someone who is younger. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd." "If you don't support beastiality , then don't have sex to animals. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules. It's absurd." "If you don't support racism, then don't get talk to about it. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules." "If you don't support slavery, then don't get slaves. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules." "If you don't support wars, then don't get involved wars. But don't force others that believe differently to live by your rules." Now there are two ways I expect you to respond and hope you don't believe it will be logically incoherent. 1. It's not the because we think x is wrong therefor it is. 2. You're wrong because your (insert insult about me personally and avoid the argument or my points) What want from you is simple. Tell why your personal opinions will tell you are right over without using an appeal to emotion. Don't tell me that it makes you feel sad if x happens because honestly that is irrelevant and counter-factual. If I said I felt sad that abortion was wrong it doesn't make it right. So, please explain logically why your personal opinions are anymore true than the opposite claim without appeal to emotions. I could go into a deeper point but I'm going pretty easy on. |
The ability to read is consent? What are you talking about? As for the age of consent, that has certainly been studied scientifically and while it will vary based on the individual, I'd like you to find anyone that would agree that 11 is a valid age of consent.
I am absolutely not contradicting myself. I am not forcing my belief on you at all. You can continue to believe that gay marraige is wrong. I feel that religion is harmful, but I'm not about to try to ban it.
As for the remainder of your points, they differ from gay marraige in that 2 consenting adults getting married does not affect anyone else outside of those 2 parties in any way. In each of your scenarios, that is not the case and so consent is absent in regards to the other party:
Killing: lack of consent from the one being killed.
Pedophilia: lack of consent of a child.
Bestiality: lack of consent of an animal.
Slavery: lack of consent of the slave.
War: impact on innocent civilians. collateral damage. impacts on far more individuals than just those that decide to go to war.
So all of your scenarios are not even remotely the same as the issue at hand.
So why don't you tell me how 2 consenting adults, that you don't even know, getting married has any negative impact on you whatsoever.
The reason we are seeing rapid acceptance of gay marraige is because more people are being exposed to the fact that gays are not "perverted child molesters" that are out to get their children. They are humans that deserve the same rights as anyone else. This will only continue to accelerate. Welcome to reality.
