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drake4 said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Hynad said:

If things continue at this pace, it won,t even reach Gamecube's numbers.

But if Nintendo can pomp out other games like the universally acclaimed Super Mario 3D World, but in their other beloved franchises like Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, etc... Then I think that viva vocé could have a very good impact on sales and things could improve tremendously.

And further down the line, The Wii U still has the advantages of being the cheaper 8th gen console on the market, so I think that if it survives long enough, people will opt for it as their second console.

 

You made a simple and objective summary of all this repetitive and boring discussion. Best post on this entire thread. Thanks.

By the way, no main home console will match last gen sales.

just cause you agree with it doesn't make it true, so far nintendo has pumped out zelda wind waker hd, 2D mario, 3d mario and pikmin, yet it still tracking behind the dreamcast, and what makes you think no home console will match last gen sales, othere then the wiiu failing.

What´s exactely you claim is true or not true ?

I agree with him because with a good marketing campaign and good games Nintendo may still pull off some profits from the device. IF it manages to do that, then the WiiU will be far from a  fail. Nintendo doesn´t need it to be #1, it just needs it to be profitable. If the device may reach GC lifetime sales, then it will be good enough. It´s up to them to make it happen

There´s nothing more to discuss here. Anything besides that is just dull speculation or fanboy illusional talk.



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drake4 said:
Hynad said:
mjo011 said:
I really hope it will end up selling better than the GameCube when it's all said and done, but right now it doesn't look like it will. So what if the 3DS started selling really well after it had a pricecut and started getting great software. It doesn't mean that the same will happen to the Wii U. The N64 struggled while the GameBoy thrived. The GameCube struggled while the GBA thrived.

Things can obviously change.
Nintendo needs to advertise it a lot more aggressively, and they need to get long-time Nintendo fans back with IPs that appeal to them: Star Fox, F-Zero, Wave Race, Paper Mario, Metroid, Earthbound and some new, impressive ones too.

They need a couple titles that clearly differentiates the Wii U from anything else. But those also need to have a clear visual appeal. Visuals sell. That's lame, I know. But it's the same for everything in the medias. 

The next Zelda needs to be a stunner. People have to go WOW when they see it for the first time. Not "WTF is that art style!"
It has to have an incredible atmosphere, a unique take on the franchise... They can't mess this one up. People are looking from not that far a distance the first time a proper Zelda will be in HD (Yeah, there's Wind Waker, but that one wasn't made to take advantage of the Wii U's hardware).

People bought a Wii for Wii Sports, Mario Kart, Super Mario and fitness and dance games... The Wii U has nothing comparable to that so far. Yes, there will be games from those franchises on the Wii U, but the Wii had the first Wii Sports, the first good fitness titles... The Wii U will look like more of the same to all those millions of casual gamers who got the Wii because it was a hot and unique item back then. Not so with the Wii U. Nintendo needs a new differentiator of that caliber that takes advantage of all the Wii U's feature set, if they want to get a fraction of those who got into the Wii's disruptive approach.


how does the wiiu have nothing compared super mario and fitness, when the sequel to new super maio has been released and 3d world has been released, not to mention wii fit u.


You didn't read properly. It needs a differenciator. Those game are mii too games on the Wii U. New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the first 2D Mario for a home console in quite some time. It was for many, a trek through nostalgia lane. Mario Kart was the first one with motion controls, Wii Sports was entirely new and is the title that sold the console to all those casuals, and Wii fitness... Why would those people need to buy a new console, to do what they can already do with their Wii? Yeah, it will be improved, but does it really warrant the investment? I don't think most of them will answer "yes" to this question.



drake4 said:
Hynad said:
drake4 said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Hynad said:

If things continue at this pace, it won,t even reach Gamecube's numbers.

But if Nintendo can pomp out other games like the universally acclaimed Super Mario 3D World, but in their other beloved franchises like Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, etc... Then I think that viva vocé could have a very good impact on sales and things could improve tremendously.

And further down the line, The Wii U still has the advantages of being the cheaper 8th gen console on the market, so I think that if it survives long enough, people will opt for it as their second console.




You made a simple and objective summary of all this repetitive and boring discussion. Best post on this entire thread. Thanks.

By the way, no main home console will match last gen sales.

just cause you agree with it doesn't make it true, so far nintendo has pumped out zelda wind waker hd, 2D mario, 3d mario and pikmin, yet it still tracking behind the dreamcast, and what makes you think no home console will match last gen sales, othere then the wiiu failing.


Of course it's not true, I'm making a supposition about what could happen in the future. Many things could happen. But feel free to come back from the future once you've gotten there to see if it's entirely false.

anything could happen but those chancesare very slim, a console dead in europe and dead in the US is not gonna just start selling cause of mario kart which is the only system seller on your list

You'd be surprised by how much the awareness is low for the console. Can't sell a console to people if they don't even know it exists. Or worse, if they think it's nothing more than an add-on.



Cleary397 said:
Guys and gals comparing the sales to the GC, just remember...
The Gamecube sold 6 million in its first year.
PS3 sold 5.63 million in its first year.

First year is not everything

the ps3 numers are so low cause of 2 main reasons, one is the ps3 launched in europe 5 months later, europe is ps3 strongest region, so ps3  1st year numbers don't really show the whole picture and the second reason is 599$, that was way too over priced for a consoel back then.



Hynad said:
mjo011 said:
I really hope it will end up selling better than the GameCube when it's all said and done, but right now it doesn't look like it will. So what if the 3DS started selling really well after it had a pricecut and started getting great software. It doesn't mean that the same will happen to the Wii U. The N64 struggled while the GameBoy thrived. The GameCube struggled while the GBA thrived.

Things can obviously change.
Nintendo needs to advertise it a lot more aggressively, and they need to get long-time Nintendo fans back with IPs that appeal to them: Star Fox, F-Zero, Wave Race, Paper Mario, Metroid, Earthbound and some new, impressive ones too.

They need a couple titles that clearly differentiates the Wii U from anything else. But those also need to have a clear visual appeal. Visuals sell. That's lame, I know. But it's the same for everything in the medias. 

The next Zelda needs to be a stunner. People have to go WOW when they see it for the first time. Not "WTF is that art style!"
It has to have an incredible atmosphere, a unique take on the franchise... They can't mess this one up. People are looking from not that far a distance the first time a proper Zelda will be in HD (Yeah, there's Wind Waker, but that one wasn't made to take advantage of the Wii U's hardware).

People bought a Wii for Wii Sports, Mario Kart, Super Mario and fitness and dance games... The Wii U has nothing comparable to that so far. Yes, there will be games from those franchises on the Wii U, but the Wii had the first Wii Sports, the first good fitness titles... The Wii U will look like more of the same to all those millions of casual gamers who got the Wii because it was a hot and unique item back then. Not so with the Wii U. Nintendo needs a new differentiator of that caliber that takes advantage of all the Wii U's feature set, if they want to get a fraction of those who got into the Wii's disruptive approach.

Agreed on these points. Wii U has brought no big, bold new ideas as disruptive as Wii did, and Wii U has also entered a far more unstable market than Wii did, making it harder for Nintendo to be the disruptive force. The marketing has been poor, most of the games of niche appeal, the branding confused, and the thinking behind the system confused. Nintendo have attempted to please everyone--the wider audience, the dedicated audience, third parties, their own internal teams--and ended up pleasing almost no-one. They designed a system that could be an alternative console, but then pitched it as a direct counterpart to 360 and PS3, and attempted to attract the third party brands so successful on those systems, when Nintendo should have primarily focused on getting out an affordable box that plays plenty of Nintendo games.

On the Zelda front, I think Nintendo need to be fairly conservative with the visual style and theme of the game. They need to go along with the adult Link on horseback Ocarina/Twilight Princess approach in order to maximise commercial gain. If they don't have Zelda at the end of next year though, which I highly doubt they can manage, then I don't see them matching GameCube's sales. They need to cut the price, improve their digital service, properly unify their accounts, ramp up Virtual Console support, and focus on getting games out on a consistent basis--buy support if need be. In the long-term, they need to re-evaluate what they want to do with their hardware business. They failed to capitalise on what Wii and DS did, so a rethink is necessary.

You aren't a hater if at this point you don't blindly believe Nintendo can somehow pull this out of the fire. I'm a Wii U owner, and I see Nintendo struggling to beat GameCube's lifetime sales. That doesn't make me a hater. Right now, it makes me a realist. 



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Hynad said:
drake4 said:
Hynad said:
drake4 said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Hynad said:

If things continue at this pace, it won,t even reach Gamecube's numbers.

But if Nintendo can pomp out other games like the universally acclaimed Super Mario 3D World, but in their other beloved franchises like Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, etc... Then I think that viva vocé could have a very good impact on sales and things could improve tremendously.

And further down the line, The Wii U still has the advantages of being the cheaper 8th gen console on the market, so I think that if it survives long enough, people will opt for it as their second console.




You made a simple and objective summary of all this repetitive and boring discussion. Best post on this entire thread. Thanks.

By the way, no main home console will match last gen sales.

just cause you agree with it doesn't make it true, so far nintendo has pumped out zelda wind waker hd, 2D mario, 3d mario and pikmin, yet it still tracking behind the dreamcast, and what makes you think no home console will match last gen sales, othere then the wiiu failing.


Of course it's not true, I'm making a supposition about what could happen in the future. Many things could happen. But feel free to come back from the future once you've gotten there to see if it's entirely false.

anything could happen but those chancesare very slim, a console dead in europe and dead in the US is not gonna just start selling cause of mario kart which is the only system seller on your list

You'd be surprised by how much the awareness is low for the console. Can't sell a console to people if they don't even know it exists. Or worse, if they think it's nothing more than an add-on.

and that's the main problem that nobody cares for the wii succesor, so unless nintendo comes up with lighting in a bottle the console won't sale, while 360/ps3 gamers will be buying xbone or ps4 no matter what games are on them at the moment just for the new more powerful hardware, just like every gen before it, while nintendo has to come with lighting in a bottle for there console to sell.



Pillow said:
people make me laugh, look at the games before judging the sales:

GameCube Year 1 (Nov 18, 2001 - Nov 18, 2002):

Wave Race: Blue Storm
Luigi's Mansion
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Pikmin
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Super Mario Sunshine
Animal Crossing
Star Fox Adventures
Mario Party 4
Metroid Prime
Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest

Wii U Year 1 (Nov 18, 2012 - Nov 18, 2013):

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
LEGO City Undercover
New Super Luigi U
Game & Wario
Pikmin 3
The Wonderful 101
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
Wii Party U
Wii Fit U
Wii Sports Club


Compare the games and tell me who had the best games... yeah I thought so. GCN had a way better library in its first year. I expect the Wii U to catch up the GCN next year.

 

I think this is needed here.



Soundwave said:


I don't have the specific number in front of me, but I do know GameCube is about a million or more units ahead in the US at this point, and I think slightly higher in Japan too for the same time frame. Both sold like hot garbage in Europe, so I don't think that makes a huge difference. 

I think Wii U will need Mario Kart + Smash + another price reduction just to start selling at GameCube levels. 


The specific number is 2.77mil going into October and falling further behind in US alone in both Oct and Nov



Nintentacle said:

That's true, but it still was ahead for a couple of months. I'll give more examples showing that things change. PS3 was "doomed" for a long time, and 3DS used to be ahead of DS.


Wii U wasnt supply constrained. 360 was coming off a 25mil console launch and only anticipated in NA. Ps3 wasnt even globally launched until march 2007. Fact is Wii U is trending under GameCube which was the worst selling Nintendo, MS, and Sony console to date.



chapset said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=170598&page=-1#1
look at the gamecube numbers then look at the wii u's and be sad

to be fair WiiU is dominating Europe. Gamecube only sold 10,000 units when it debuted. WiiU sold 1,010,000 units.

Good post, would be interesting to see how other fiscal years pan out. Unlike Gamecube, I think WiiU sales will go up instead of down, but I could be speaking out of fanboyism



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