Just stop. It's the "top excuse" because it's true. What does XBL give you other than the ability to play online multiplayer? Nothing

What does PS+ give you other than the ability to play online multiplayer? Free games, instant game collection, discounts on PSN content, auto-updates, cloud storage, and more

It does suck that I now have to pay to play online, since there's no alternative (WiiU isn't gonna have KZ, GTA, GT, etc). But if I have to pay (a cheaper premium, btw), at least it doesn't feel like I'm "paying to play a game I already paid for" like XBL does. With PS+, you truely do "get so much value out of it". If that isn't true, then tell me why MS started the Games with Gold promotion? Let me answer that for you: because people said the PS+ offers value for your dollar and XBL doesn't.

Everyone complained about PS+ being mandatory for MP, when it was revealed at E3. But if I'm gonna get free games (that don't suck or are extremely old. Assassin's Creed 2? A World of Keflings? wtf, Games with Gold?), some of which I was gonna pay $60 for anyway, then I can't complain. Hell, even some games that I would say "I'll wait til it's a bargain bin item" I could just get on the spot without thinking twice about it.

Oops I meant Xbox not just 360. And I had no clue about having to pay for Dreamcast. I was too young. However, online wasn't nearly as popular then so most people didn't even have it. Heck, I could barely even play flash games online until later. So not a brand new idea, but new to the majority.

Can people stop referring to them as free games? It's like going to a buffet and talking about how amazing all this free food is*

*Food which you didn't want to buy when you had the chance to anyway.

XBL has been around for 12 years. So, I don't get what you're saying here....

They're free in comparison to the competition.

You can't do that. That is a merit of the servive which warrants subscribing to it. If you can say that, then I can say "take away the online MP for XBL and PSN is top dog". I'd say something else for comparison sake, but online MP is literally all the XBL offers.

And I really doubt you don't care about the games. On a list that includes games like LBP2, Super Street Fighter IV, Borderlands 2, inFamous 2, Batman: Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, UC3, XCOM, BF3, Assassin's Creed 3, Mass Effect 3, and many, many more games, that all come out within a year after the game initially released (no releasing a 7 year old game in a monthly update), I doubt you just "don't care" about them, considering these are all big games. And if you download and play just 1 or 2 of those games over the course of one year, PS+, then, has already paid for itself, and you still have ALL the other games to choose from. If you put it in that perspective, you don't really pay to play online. Technically, yes you have, but in practice, no you haven't

Ok? I never said PS+ wasn't a good value. 

No one is complaining because they're hypocrites!!! ;)

Or maybe, it's just not a big deal....

Well, probably the free games. It's a massive deal that none of the competitors answered yet (please, no Games With Gold. MS is giving only old games and cheaper indie titles. They need an adequate answer).

i pay for games. why complain?