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_crazy_man_ on 03 December 2013
Player2 said:
_crazy_man_ said:

Console Upscaling > Standard HD TV Upscaling

There are TVs that have superior upscaling tho

Maybe the PS3 can't upscale, so your TV is doing it

Wii U I know for a fact does it itself, hence why upscale 1080p still looks nice

No idea on 360

360 upscales, my brother has one.

Thanks, I didn't wanna talk outta my ass on something I knew nothing about ;p



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Pemalite on 03 December 2013
d21lewis said:

I think a lot of PS3 owners that are buying PS4's have been playing native 720p games displayed at 720p and are now experiencing the quantum leap to 1080p.  A lot of Xbox 360/Wii U owners that are playing Xbox One/PS4 games are used to playing native 720p games that were upscaled to 1080p so they haven't noticed the difference.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is huge so I'm glad to know that I'm not "blind" like many on this site have been calling me lately!  I've just never played a 720p game at 720p until yesterday. 


Of course there is a difference, there is 125% more pixel information being displayed on screen.
Upscaling uses certain algorithms to guess some of that information (In a good scenario) and then apply certain filters to clean up the image.

Take the jump from 1080P to 1440P and you get another 77.7% increase in pixel information. Or take it a step farther to 1600P where it's 97.5%.
Or 4k which is a staggering 300%.

I don't care what review websites say, 720P and 1080P is last decade stuff and is very noticeable, just unfortunatly the majority of TV's around the world are only 720P, wish the industry moved onto 2k and 4k sooner rather than later.




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d21lewis on 03 December 2013
OdinHades said:
If it's full screen, it is upscaled to 1080p. Doesn't matter if the console or the TV does the job (unless you have a real bad TV). Think about it, your TV has 1920x1080 pixels. If that screen is filled up, you have an upscaled image, period.

Oh, and by the way, the PS3 doesn't do upscaling automatically. There is no option for it. You can set it to 1080p in the video settings, but if a game decides to run at 720p (like The Last of Us) there is no way to force the PS3 to upscale. It will be done by your TV.

Damn.  I'm using the Super Slim PS3 I got on Black Friday and I'm using a newer HDTV.  The PS3 games look better on my old TV.  I guess the new TV isn't going to do the job.  I never had this problem (or at least I never noticed) with my old PS3, though.



d21lewis on 03 December 2013

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OdinHades on 03 December 2013
d21lewis said:
OdinHades said:
If it's full screen, it is upscaled to 1080p. Doesn't matter if the console or the TV does the job (unless you have a real bad TV). Think about it, your TV has 1920x1080 pixels. If that screen is filled up, you have an upscaled image, period.

Oh, and by the way, the PS3 doesn't do upscaling automatically. There is no option for it. You can set it to 1080p in the video settings, but if a game decides to run at 720p (like The Last of Us) there is no way to force the PS3 to upscale. It will be done by your TV.

Damn.  I'm using the Super Slim PS3 I got on Black Friday and I'm using a newer HDTV.  The PS3 games look better on my old TV.  I guess the new TV isn't going to do the job.  I never had this problem (or at least I never noticed) with my old PS3, though.

Some games decide to use some upscaling (the PS3 does have an upscaler after all) but it's not mandatory, so it's really up to the developer. It's pretty uncommon nowadays though. Maybe you have been playing lots of games in the past which made use of upscaling in some form. 



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d21lewis on 03 December 2013
OdinHades said:
d21lewis said:
OdinHades said:
If it's full screen, it is upscaled to 1080p. Doesn't matter if the console or the TV does the job (unless you have a real bad TV). Think about it, your TV has 1920x1080 pixels. If that screen is filled up, you have an upscaled image, period.

Oh, and by the way, the PS3 doesn't do upscaling automatically. There is no option for it. You can set it to 1080p in the video settings, but if a game decides to run at 720p (like The Last of Us) there is no way to force the PS3 to upscale. It will be done by your TV.

Damn.  I'm using the Super Slim PS3 I got on Black Friday and I'm using a newer HDTV.  The PS3 games look better on my old TV.  I guess the new TV isn't going to do the job.  I never had this problem (or at least I never noticed) with my old PS3, though.

Some games decide to use some upscaling (the PS3 does have an upscaler after all) but it's not mandatory, so it's really up to the developer. It's pretty uncommon nowadays though. Maybe you have been playing lots of games in the past which made use of upscaling in some form. 

Only one way to find out.  I'm gonna try a bunch of older PS3 games.

 

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Player2 on 03 December 2013
d21lewis said:
Player2 said:

There isn't a big difference between 1080p and 720p.

What's going on:

Unlike CRT TVs, LCD TVs have only one native resolution. Everything that don't have that res is upscaled/downscaled. So when you send an image to the TV that doesn't match the screen native resolution (like that 720p image from a PS3) it looks like trash because it's the TV the one upscaling it to 1080, and they usually do a poor job at it.

Your X360 720p games look good because the X360 takes the 720p game image, upscales it to 1080p and then sends it to the TV.

So: Use a 720p TV for games with 720p output.

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying.  I'm using an LED HDTV (still an LCD, I know).  It always shows what resolution it's displaying in the upper right hand corner. 

Doing a quick run through of the things connected to it

  • If I run DirecTV HD on it, it shows "1080i" in the upper right, even when the programming itself is sub-HD
  • When I run the 360, it says "1080p" regardless of what resolution the game I'm playing is running
  • When I run my Wii, it says "480p" regardless of what game is running, even Super Nes games!
  • When I change to Wii U, it says "1080p" regardless of which game I'm running...even if I change it to Wii Mode (which is still blurry)
  • When I run my PS3, it says "1080p" until the actual game starts playing.  Then, it says 720p.
  • When I run the PC, it says "1024 x 768" (I can run it sharper but I sit so far away that everything is too small to see)

Give me some guidance, here.

What the TV displays in the upper right is the input (resolution, refresh, for TV and consoles; width, height for the PC).

So whenever it says 1080p or i (or 1920 x 1080 for the PC) the input matches the TV native resolution and you get the best picture quality.

I don't have a Ps3, but given the replies in this thread it seems some PS3 games refuse to run at 1080p, that's why the PS3 switches from 1080p to 720p. Those games will look better on your old TV if it isn't full HD.

Plasmas are a different beast, they do a much better job at upscaling, that's why everything looks awesome in Kekrot's TV (plus his plasma is a Panasonic).



d21lewis on 03 December 2013

I tried a lot of games. Uncharted 3, MGS4, MGS HD Collection, Valkyria Chronicles, God of War 3, Wipe Out HD Fury, Heavy Rain, and LBP 2. The results were all over the place.

Most of them said 720p but looked fantastic. MGS4 ran at 1080p and looked good. HD Collection said 1080p on the box but ran at 720p (wtf?). Uncharted 3 said 720p but looked good. The Last of Us said 720p but looks blurry. I'm more confused now than when I started.

I'll just give up and play my games.



Chevinator123 on 03 December 2013
d21lewis said:
On a side note, can somebody tell me how to set my PS3 so that 720p games are upscaled to 1080p, again? For the life of me, I can't figure it out. The Last of Us at 720p is pissing me off!

In the PS3 display options have you tryd unticking all the boxes leaving 1080p as the only option? that might work

 

 This is strange tho, cause their should be no difference in quality



Aldro on 03 December 2013

Lewis, go video options, choose resolution and mark the 1080p box AND NOTHING ELSE => you done