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deskpro2k3 said:
Pemalite said:
deskpro2k3 said:

If developers are willing to cater to ultra performing PCs only, they will likely not see profits at all.


Tell that to Star Citizen, I think they missed that memo.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/76653/

Creator of Star Citizen.

Christopher Roberts:
As far as consoles go Star Citizen will never be on the PS3 or Xbox 360. As for the next gen consoles, PS4 and Xbox One, we have NO CURRENT PLANS, but my stance remains open and is consistent with the many interviews I’ve given -

IF the platform holders (Sony & Microsoft) allow us to update the code and data without restrictions and odious time consuming QC procedures, IF they allow our community to openly interact with each other across platforms then I would CONSIDER supporting them.

 

Knowing Sony being open and not restrictive, I'd say there is a pretty good chance Star Citizen might come to PS4.


It's not guaranteed and if it does arrive it will have to be downgraded which is again a compromise.
Plus space sims typically are best with flight sticks or failing that, keyboard and mouse, you would also loose mod support.

I was playing games better than the next-gen consoles could handle even a few years before the Playstation 4 was even launched.
I was using Tessellation during the Playstation 2 era, something which is only going to finally be in full swing on the PS4, Xbox One and WiiU.




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kowenicki said:
There is another aspect to this. Take a look at the steam survey hardware survey... you will see how right you are and its not remotely controversial.

I think a lot of PC gamers lie about their "rigs"


This is actually true. Surveys on most webites (including gamespot, the breeding ground of PC snobs) showed that most master race snobs had rigs that are weaker than PS4 and even Xbone, despite them bragging about PC in every console thread



Pemalite said:
 


It's not guaranteed and if it does arrive it will have to be downgraded which is again a compromise.
Plus space sims typically are best with flight sticks or failing that, keyboard and mouse, you would also loose mod support.

I was playing games better than the next-gen consoles could handle even a few years before the Playstation 4 was even launched.
I was using Tessellation during the Playstation 2 era, something which is only going to finally be in full swing on the PS4, Xbox One and WiiU.


As a PC gamer, you're not affected by those downgrade compromise. The game is made first on PC, and it also depends on the target market for the game.



Brutalyst said:

The argument being PC's are far ahead of what the new PS4 and XBox One are capable of, and yes your right. But they forget the most important thing, we ARE CONSOLE gamers. 

 


I think this is the main reason why we just can´t say that PC gamers are delusional.

it´s clear today that consoles are a fading trade, even with those big launches. If there´s a machine that will always handle games and will always be part of people´s lives for many different reasons, it´s the PC.



deskpro2k3 said:
Pemalite said:
 


It's not guaranteed and if it does arrive it will have to be downgraded which is again a compromise.
Plus space sims typically are best with flight sticks or failing that, keyboard and mouse, you would also loose mod support.

I was playing games better than the next-gen consoles could handle even a few years before the Playstation 4 was even launched.
I was using Tessellation during the Playstation 2 era, something which is only going to finally be in full swing on the PS4, Xbox One and WiiU.


As a PC gamer, you're not affected by those downgrade compromise.


Exactly.

Kane1389 said:
kowenicki said:
There is another aspect to this. Take a look at the steam survey hardware survey... you will see how right you are and its not remotely controversial.

I think a lot of PC gamers lie about their "rigs"


This is actually true. Surveys on most webites (including gamespot, the breeding ground of PC snobs) showed that most master race snobs had rigs that are weaker than PS4 and even Xbone, despite them bragging about PC in every console thread

Well. I don't know if that's true or not.
However if you look on the Steam survey roughly 5.4 million PC's are significantly faster than the Playstation 4. (Hint: That's currently more than all the PS4's and Xbox One's sold combined thus far.)
Majority however are substantually weaker.
Another massive portion aren't reported correctly to Steam.

For example Steam will only count single GPU's in the GPU chart... So someone with 4 year old Dual-Radeon 5870's are faster than the Playstation 4, but it's not seen that way on the statistics.
Someone with 5 year old Quad Radeon 4870's is faster than the Playstation 4 and it will only count as a single GPU. (Granted also lacks Direct X 11 compatible effects.)
The statistics also don't account for Optimus or Enduro powered systems as the GPU is turned off unless a 3D call is made, so the amount of Intel IGP's that are listed in the statistics is higher than it is in reality.

Then to compound the fact that, most multi-platforms are badly ported and could run on a toaster doesn't help things either, most 6+ year old Core 2 Quads combined with a $30 GPU can run the majority of games today just fine at 720P. (I.E. Console Equivalent.)
In time, one should expect the amount of systems that eclipses the PS4 should rapidly increase once games start to demand more, in-fact that trend is already occuring.




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"The argument being PC's are far ahead of what the new PS4 and XBox One are capable of, and yes your right."

Honestly If you are going to stand on a soap box, it is helpful to have a point, other than "console gamers play games too you guysssss"



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

Obligatory dick measuring Gaming Laptop Specs: Sager NP8270-GTX: 17.3" FULL HD (1920X1080) LED Matte LC, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive

MDMAlliance said:
Dr.Grass said:

This is just about the best comment I've read in recent memory.

 

Adding a specific example to what you're saying:

No controller has ever come remotely close to the mouse.  Not even close. I guarantee you that you can take the best 6 FPS console players in the world and put them against my friend (all at once) in Quake 3 and he'd rip them apart without a hitch. Once you've seen a proper FPS player in action with a mouse there's nowhere to hide from the truth.


I also really liked this line:

"Consoles really only have one advantage. Convenience."

I think that bolded line is false.  The reason why boils down to why consoles exist in the first place.  Convenience is NOT the reason consoles and arcade machines were made.  In fact, if you go to an arcade to play games now, you are most definitely not going because it's convenient.  An arcade machine is a type of console rather than a PC.  While people boast that PC can do this, PC can do that, PC has cheaper games, PC has "the most games" (this is highly arguable depending on how you want to define each game and count them).  

If we decided to use PC only for games from the start, the gaming market would not be nearly as large as it is today.  It is also false to believe that any gaming innovation that may come will come to the PC rather than a gaming console.  This is absolutely false.  While a PC can be perfectly compatible with these new inputs, it would #1 cost more to implement #2 be a much bigger gamble as it would be harder to market #3 be hard to find someone willing to make the investment in the R&D and #4 have a hard time getting developers to use it.  Why consoles are better for this is because they are more uniform than PC's are, and they are customized more than PC's are (or have been).  The advantages of consoles are much more than just plain "convenience."  Consoles allowed the market the flourish and mature.  Consoles allowed more innovations to gaming to occur.  

I understand that now may be in a different position as then, given that PC's are playing a bigger role in gaming, it is still true that the console market has a lot more chances to make innovations in gaming than the PC market.  Maybe some time in the future, consoles will disappear and everything will be done by PC's (the old console manufacturers probably developing peripherals for PC) but we are NOT there right now.


Whaaa...?

Arcade gaming is dead. What are you on about?

And, "  The reason why boils down to why consoles exist in the first place.", was never answered in your post.

 "It is also false to believe that any gaming innovation that may come will come to the PC rather than a gaming console.  This is absolutely false."

LOL. That's so untrue.

"Consoles allowed more innovations to gaming to occur.  "

No one is discussing the merits of console gaming or what it has contributed! Geez man, we're discussing which is superior from a gaming poitn of view.

"I understand that now may be in a different position as then, given that PC's are playing a bigger role in gaming"

My gawd man, you think PCs used to not play a major role in gaming? 

"it is still true that the console market has a lot more chances to make innovations in gaming than the PC market"
 

Again, what? The example of Kinect is prudent; It launched on console, but nearly every facet of its existence that has been worthwhile has been implemented by the PC mod community. Of course the device sucked so they gave up on it. 

"consoles will disappear and everything will be done by PC's"
I'm not saying that, and anyone who does is, I belive, delusional.

In essence, I disagree with the entire ethos of what you wrote.



OP( and anyone else for that matter,) it is you're not your.



SpongyFondue said:
OP( and anyone else for that matter,) it is you're not your.


Well that's YOU'RE controversial opinion ;)



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Brutalyst said:

One of the big arguments I see on this forum is how the new console generation is lagging behind the PC generation.

 

Im sorry, but your delusional if thats what you think is the case.

 

The argument being PC's are far ahead of what the new PS4 and XBox One are capable of, and yes your right. But they forget the most important thing, we ARE CONSOLE gamers. 

Noone forgets that. But saying it is your choice doesn't mean it is an efficient choice. And when we speak about what a PC can do, it isn't only about graphics. But it is about a lot more things. Most Console gamers point to exclusive titles, and claim availability of exclusive titles makes consoles better than PC. The problem is: PC has even more exclusives. And if you want business simulation, accurate flight simulators, RTS games, some complex 4X titles, or want games that focus heavily on user created content, you will see: They are PC Exclusive.

And most indie games are PC exclusive as well, and they have a certain old school charm. If graphic isn't your key concern, the indie scene is a big plus. And if Console gamers wouldn't try to brag about nonexistent advantages, most of the discussions where PCs come up as better wouldn't happen. You are here trying to make your console look better in a PC related area so you visit PC games with your made up stories. Who is delusional then? 

I heard how a console is good because of the big screen and the controller. My gaming laptop, Lenovo Ideapad Y500 SLI has a HDMI port. It can be connected to the TV. And I have the receiver that turns my XBOX controllers into PC controllers. So I can have the same kind of gaming, but with a flexibility to choose different controls. And here choice is a good thing. Console gamers who speak about comforts often forget the quick fact: PCs are capable of the same thing here.

I heard about new content sharing features. And I remember how I used FRAPS years ago. Now not only multiplayer is free on PC, but I also know that nVidia GPUs come with a new tool you can use to share your gameplay videos.

I heard how you will have more big titles offered as digital downloadable products. And I have Steam and Origin. 

Multimedia features: Thank you, I already have that.

You speak about price tag. Yet most of the price you pay for the console is added to price tag of the games you buy. So after a while it adds up. And for a lot of things you still need a PC. If we add up the price of your console, the higher costs of games, and your weak PC, and compare it to higher costs of a gaming capable PC, we will see PC is cheaper.

But my PC also lets me play with software like DAZ Studio or Carrara and entertain myself with that hobby. I was a PC gamer even in XT era, and I remember everything from gwbasic to good old Turbo Pascal. Ohh, and I remember how even Visual Studio can be a source of fun. And it comes with a free Express Edition.

Each and every PC gamer has an option to upgrade if he want a better graphics, or pay less if we don't want it. It is an important kind of flexibility. 

And While GTA and some other series have a nice and big open world, a lot of console games have limited settings to save as much RAM as possible. And as we see Consoles of the new generation lag behind PCs both in terms of RAM and Hard Disc space. None of these questions are just matter of speed or some "number fetish" about Ghz-s. 

Oww. I heard something. On XBOX One you can snap the guide to the edge of the screen and read it while playing. Too bad on PC I have a few more options. Like multiple monitors.

Of course there are innovation in console market. Kinect made its debut with XBOX 360, it is refined with XBOX One, and it found its application in miedicine, etc. as a new kind of controllerless interface. Using markerless motion capture for user IO and turning it into an affordable product was a huge achievement. And when you want Kinect for "sports at home" you will have an XBOX with it as well. And if you have an XBOX already, choosing XBOX for some games will be a good choice, and it raises a question: "do I need a strong PC as well?"

But often, if you have any hobbies, etc. you will be motivated to buy a strong enough PC for gaming, and if your PC can do anything and everything a console would do for you, and you can use it the same way, you will ask yourself: "Do I really need a console as well?"

Split screen gaming where your friends surround you, etc. and the game becomes part of a party or family gaming can be an area where consoles shine. But most conssole gamers only spew delusional nonsense about how their choice is good for hard core gaming. And often they do it in PC focused parts of boards.