where there really many ps4s available? I couldn't find any, plus this is launch for Xbone which makes a difference. this generation will be much closer the entire cycle with more equally matched opponents on the same timetable(release dates, game releases closer together) I really feel that ps4 will push ahead world wide quite a bit world wide but remain neck and neck in the USA.

Says who? Many people were reporting seeing Xbox Ones in stores after Microsoft said it "sold out".

the more I read about this this more I think dammit, they should've released the same day, would've been more fun. think of the crazy YouTube videos we could've been watching... segregated lines, making people wear specific armbands to identify them properly. and of course soccer moms beating the hell out of each other on black Friday with PS4s and Xbones, oh yeah!

Then you have a very unusual definition for "sold out". Last time I checked, "sold out" means none of the product available in stores. However, I still see a bunch of XBO's in stores.

sure you do. 

oh and if we are going by the "sold out" logic anyone can drop 800 for PS4 bundle right now at gamestop and get it, same with the Xbone.

Sold out of actual non-bundled box units is what we are talking about, and yes Xbone sold out of those day one just like PS4, but can you do haters gonna hate right?

Okay.... I still don't see how that refutes the fact that the XBO did not sell all of its initial stock prior to Black Friday. As Jeremy Conrad said on Twitter, there were still a bunch of unsold "Day One" XBO's where in contrast, all of the "Day One" PS4's were sold out. I'm just saying things the way they are, but coming from your reaction, you appear to be quite displeased with the results. Haters gonna hate right?

Go tell that to the Reddit members who have been posting pictures of PS4s at Target, where they bought theirs.

Target may have been the only major retailer with a stock of PS4s.

Neither console sold out.

There were PS4s available post launch and there were Xbox Ones available post launch.

Both consoles were widely unavailable, meaning most retailers were sold out in most retail outlets.

What we don't know is how many units were available on launch day for each console at each retailer. Sony sold nearly 1M units on the PS4s launch day. Microsoft sold 1.2M units on launch day.

If you want to make the argument that Microsoft had consoles left, fine. Microsoft also shipped more units total and they also sold more units on launch day. There's no way Microsoft could have sold 1.2M units without also have shipped more units.

So if Microsoft had more units in the field, than they'd have more units to sell. Whether they sold them on launch day or Black Friday.

For you non US members of VGChartz, if you don't know what Black Friday is and you aren't aware of how hectic it is as a shopping day, look to the images of what you saw in Germany for the PS4 Launch. That's what it's like here every year. And that's a nation of 300+ million, no a paltry 60+ million. People die on Black Friday just trying to get a deal.

If Microsoft had additional stock available after their launch for Black Friday and Sony didn't guess who benefits? Microsoft! What you may end up seeing is both the Xbox One and the PS4 selling well during the same week with the difference been smaller than what I'm assuming people will believe it to be.

I'm not saying the PS4 won't sell more, it may very well have. I'm just suggesting that the if Microsoft had additional stock available but Sony didn't for Black Friday, it's gonna benefit Microsoft in the end because the general public will opt for one or the other, and if a retailer is smart they'll sell what's available today. If they have Xbox One's in stock, that means they'll sell Xbox Ones.

A parent is going to look at it and say, we already have an Xbox 360. I saw the commercial for the Xbox One. Although little Johnnie wants a PS4, we're getting an Xbox One because that's what's available and because that's what we already have, Xbox.

Well when the numbers come out we will know for sure, but NPD will give us the answer...no hate from me I'm glad both consoles have done well not sure why sony fans are so upset by the success of microsoft though.