I have no evidence to support that Forza 5 was rushed for launch?  When it contains half the content of Forza 4, and a good amount of the content it does have is locked behind a paywall???

As for the "disparty" between a game's promotional build for a trade show and the final product...  again, you act like this is something that's unprecedented.  You must've slept through the PS3's launch.

Well yes I've never owned a console in my life so I don't have any idea. So I'm honestly asking why there is a downgrade from what they initially promised the customers at E3? If they can achieve what they achieved at E3, why can't they keep it for the launch 8 months later? What's the reason behind it? 

Most likely they had the game running on higher-spec'd dev kits at E3, and to keep the game locked at 60fps in 1080p on the final product they had to sacrifice a couple of things.  It's not that uncommon with consoles.

They could've been total dicks and only showed pre-rendered footage when they showed off the game, and I'm sure if the had done that they'd be the first ones to do so too, right?

So what was shown 8 months ago at E3, was on a hardware that was much more capable than x1? Got it, thanks. 

There is a HUGE difference between showing a target video that aimed too high and having mislead customers for months with fake builds running on better HW than your own.  It's not like Sony had actual running builds of those games looking like that, only the target vids.  Which they still rightfully got flack for.  What MS did is in a whole other ballpark of dishonesty.

In the meantime PS4 dev-kits were at the same ballpark as the final HW... maybe MS didn't know they had a weaker HW?

Still waiting an answer from Kirby, at least I highlighted a whole sentence for him for easier reading.

This gMe is amazing. As a racing fanatic this is eby far the best sim on  onsole. Under the hood its physics are clearly way ahead of the lazt gen sims. The impulse triggers were made cor this game. And it looks phenominal. I really cant go back and play forza 4 anymore. The drivatar ai makes every race feel unique. Gone is the procession racing of the ai in fora 4 and gt 5/6. Finally ai  ontrolled drivers make mistakez and try do or die moves like real human players. At times coming up eu rouge and over the top looks so real.

Last gen is so behind me. Im gaming so much more again. Really impressed with xbox one launch. 

Forz 5 is a must for any fan of zimulators. Itz so much better than last gen. 

And your opinion is relevant to the factual analysis thread about visual downgrades because?

I didn't know June was 8 months ago, you must be writing from the future.  And again, this isn't the first time a game didn't quite live up to what was promised at a trade show earlier in the year, nor will it be the last.