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Catalonia Independance

Yes 25 43.10%
 
No 19 32.76%
 
Maybe 9 15.52%
 
WTF is Catalonia 4 6.90%
 
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the2real4mafol said:
SlayerRondo said:
the2real4mafol said:
If they want to be independent then why not? It's whether they can be successful if separate from Spain? I know little on the Spanish economy itself apart from the fact that there are half finished buildings everywhere.

Does Catalonia have it's industries it could rely on if it became independent?

Absolutely. It is quite a large region that has had a great level of autonomy in the past and has a far better past when it comes to respecting the rights of its citizens than the Spanish government's absurd land grab laws.

 That's interesting. I guess they are waiting to see what Scotland does first before trying though

Indeed, the situation bears much in common and I personally believe its in the interest of Scotland to achieve independance in the long run. 

It's nations like Singapor and Hong Kong (know its not independant but more autonomous) that make me believe that small nations allow for more reactive and vibrant economies.

One ket difference is that support for independance is curiously stronger in Catalonia. I guess Scotland being generally noted as a seperate nation eases calls for independance.



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SlayerRondo said:
JEMC said:
Oh, c'mon. Not here too!

I'm tired of this, it's almost 24/7 on TV, radio, newspapers. I thought I'd be safe here.


The plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored.

The rotting leviathan of Spain shall not drag Catalonia down to the depths as the chains of oppression are cast off.

 

I'm catalonian so you can get your "plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored" up your a**. I know a lot better than you what's happening here and why.

There are a lot of things to consider here (what happens the day after if people vote yes to independance? Where will the money to pay the pensionists come from, for example?), and not all of them rely on Spain and Catalonia only.



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JEMC said:
SlayerRondo said:
JEMC said:
Oh, c'mon. Not here too!

I'm tired of this, it's almost 24/7 on TV, radio, newspapers. I thought I'd be safe here.


The plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored.

The rotting leviathan of Spain shall not drag Catalonia down to the depths as the chains of oppression are cast off.

 

I'm catalonian so you can get your "plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored" up your a**. I know a lot better than you what's happening here and why.

There are a lot of things to consider here (what happens the day after if people vote yes to independance? Where will the money to pay the pensionists come from, for example?), and not all of them rely on Spain and Catalonia only.

Sarcasm is so hard to get accross on the internet sadly. 

And the money for the pensionist would come from the Catalonian government presumably. Catalonians are on average better of than the standard Spanish citizen so it should not be much of an issue.



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I'm against full independence but more like catalonia being a state like in the US.
If catalonia becomes independent it's gonna start a chain in Europe where a lot of places want independence. Like here in Belgium with Flanders and Scotland and a bunch more



JEMC said:
Oh, c'mon. Not here too!

I'm tired of this, it's almost 24/7 on TV, radio, newspapers. I thought I'd be safe here.

Well, at least we didn't get a Barcelona-Real Madrid thread last month.



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When has Catalonia last been an independent country and how come mighty spain never got rid of dem Catalan speaking rebels.



DamnTastic said:
I'm against full independence but more like catalonia being a state like in the US.
If catalonia becomes independent it's gonna start a chain in Europe where a lot of places want independence. Like here in Belgium with Flanders and Scotland and a bunch more

The problem with most European countries and their different regions is that those said regions are "burnt" out or completly alienated from their own central goverment.

For example, here in Portugal, the entire north region of the country suffers heavily from the centralization of funds and resources around the Lisbon area. While Porto, Braga and Aveiro districts are the main industrious force of the country (more than 45% of Portugal's Entire GDP is located in those three districts alone), 90% of the european funds go entirely to Lisbon. More and more there's talks of at least forming a regional goverment of the north so we can at least get a much fairer share, or else the situation will be unsustainable in the near future.

Not saying that's the case with Flanders (didn't knew that there was a separatist feeling in Belgium, we don't get that many news from you guys over here sadly) or Scotland, but situations like that can quickly erode a nation.



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DamnTastic said:
I'm against full independence but more like catalonia being a state like in the US.
If catalonia becomes independent it's gonna start a chain in Europe where a lot of places want independence. Like here in Belgium with Flanders and Scotland and a bunch more


Why would you be against Scotland and flanders becoming independant?

And the States in America have little independance at all.



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SlayerRondo said:
JEMC said:
SlayerRondo said:
JEMC said:
Oh, c'mon. Not here too!

I'm tired of this, it's almost 24/7 on TV, radio, newspapers. I thought I'd be safe here.


The plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored.

The rotting leviathan of Spain shall not drag Catalonia down to the depths as the chains of oppression are cast off.

 

I'm catalonian so you can get your "plight of the Catalonians shall not be ignored" up your a**. I know a lot better than you what's happening here and why.

There are a lot of things to consider here (what happens the day after if people vote yes to independance? Where will the money to pay the pensionists come from, for example?), and not all of them rely on Spain and Catalonia only.

Sarcasm is so hard to get accross on the internet sadly. 

And the money for the pensionist would come from the Catalonian government presumably. Catalonians are on average better of than the standard Spanish citizen so it should not be much of an issue.

Your last sentence prooves that you don't know how the Spanish govermnent work.

It's Spain who gets the money from taxes, etc., and then it gives back to the different territories a part of the taxes collected in that zone. That's how the Generalitat (Catalonian gov.) gets most of its anual budget. The problem is that several territories get less money that they should (Madrid, Catalonia, Baleares get less money than the taxes their citizens have paid), others get more and a few have a special status that allow them to keep most of their own money without having to give it to Spain in the first place.

That's why your sentence makes no sense. If we declare independance, Spain won't give us money so the Generalitat will have to rely on debt (who will buy debt of a new country with so many unknowns?) until the next tax collect, every 3 months, happens.

But it's not only that, there are many other things that would be a problem.

 

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non-gravity said:
When has Catalonia last been an independent country and how come mighty spain never got rid of dem Catalan speaking rebels.


Firstly I learned of Catalonia from Napoleon Total War.

Secondly does the time speant as part of Spain matter?

If a people want to leave a nation and represent a decent chunk of land (no people declaring their properties independant) why should they not?



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