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Lawlight said:
orniletter said:
Lawlight said:
I also think that Sony games are reviewed more harshly.


Sure, all those perfect scores for the Last of Us when it obviously deserved 11/10.


You're forgeting Tom Chick's 3/5 review or Polygon's 7.5 or the many websites which gave it less than a 9.

It should be sitting at 98 on MC.

Hilarious.



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Except for a few honest journalists, the now defunct "Diehard Gamefan", "Gamer's Republic," "Girls of Gaming," and "Play Magazine" ( although their http://gamefanmag.com/ website is still up, so I'm hoping to see honest appraisals of the Next Gen games from them soon ) 's Dave Halverson ( http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/02/column_game_mag_weaseling_dave.php ) and Nick Des Barres ( http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/folklore/folklore.htm ) pop to mind as the only two critics in the industry that have any idea about what they're talking about [ youtube's Raychul Moore ( http://www.youtube.com/user/RaychulMoore although she does have a bias against JRPGs that is a bit offputting but that's the only thing ) seems to be another one that does ] Playstation 3 games have always tended to be written by Western Game Journalists that have been paid off by Microsoft ( or Nintendo) (or it could be that Microsoft pays them to review their games too highly or that Western games journalists have a bias towards Microsoft's games because they'tre made by a Western company ) to write Crap reviews of Sony games or to be just ignorant jabronies that think that every game should either be designed like a PC Game, Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto, so there's no way to know for sure.

Just as one example from the list above and even though I've never played it since it's not really my type of game though I must stress that I have nothing against the genre , I do know that Halverson's Gamefan said LBG Karting was the Best Playstation Exclusive of 2012 ( http://gamefanmag.com/features/gamefans-year-in-review ), so the aggregate review score of 73 from a bunch of jabroni reviewers seems drastically too low for the game.



JayWood2010 said:
Lawlight said:
orniletter said:
Lawlight said:
I also think that Sony games are reviewed more harshly.


Sure, all those perfect scores for the Last of Us when it obviously deserved 11/10.


You're forgeting Tom Chick's 3/5 review or Polygon's 7.5 or the many websites which gave it less than a 9.

It should be sitting at 98 on MC.

I wouldnt say every review negative automatically hinders a reviewer.

As for Quarter to Three, that guy is just a shit reviewer http://www.metacritic.com/publication/quarter-to-three?filter=games




Still, not seeing him bringing down Nintendo games' scores. 20 for PSASBR? 20 for Beyond: Two Souls? 40 for Journey?



Lawlight said:
Play4Fun said:
Lawlight said:
I also think that Sony games are reviewed more harshly.

People always start saying this whenever hyped games turn out to get lower scores than expected from some sites.

It's been said for Nintendo, it's been said for Sony and I won't be surprised if, in the case that a X1 game or two gets lower scores from certain sites, it is said about MS.


Nintendo's games always review relatively highly - even the shovelware.

I'm curious, what shovelware have Nintendo published? In this case, how are you defining shovelware?



Lawlight said:
JayWood2010 said:
Lawlight said:
orniletter said:
Lawlight said:
I also think that Sony games are reviewed more harshly.


Sure, all those perfect scores for the Last of Us when it obviously deserved 11/10.


You're forgeting Tom Chick's 3/5 review or Polygon's 7.5 or the many websites which gave it less than a 9.

It should be sitting at 98 on MC.

I wouldnt say every review negative automatically hinders a reviewer.

As for Quarter to Three, that guy is just a shit reviewer http://www.metacritic.com/publication/quarter-to-three?filter=games




Still, not seeing him bringing down Nintendo games' scores. 20 for PSASBR? 20 for Beyond: Two Souls? 40 for Journey?


He searches for hit by giving negatives to hyped games.  Not all of them but many.  Just think about it.  He is now a well known reviewer because people click on his negative reviews.  He wins when you do.  Even talking about him now helps him win.




       

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Those scores look fair to me. Although Nintendo has a higher average sonys releases appeal to me more. Still eager to play Pikmin 3 and Windwaker HD though.



JayWood2010 said:
Torillian said:
JayWood2010 said:



So you're making your lists based on what games were "hyped" on the internet forums?  That seems like a rather nebulous and bullshit way to make a list that just happens to disclude every poorly scoring game Nintendo published in that time.  


Very disapointed in this comment.  Moderators should not comment with this type of behavior nor act so emotional and defensive.

This thread is asking an actual question>. If you actually enjoyed the last two years then say so, after all, reviews dont matter if you like the game. I like how some people came in here and just said no they liked the games.  That is all that matters.  personally I've only bought two (Journey and TLoU) but i usually only buy games that are reviewed exceptionally well.  ive rented a lot of them though and they were mostly average(Hated Sly Cooper though, no offense to anybody)

and im it is bullshit? For leaving out wonderful amazing games like The Wonder Book, Sports Champions 2, Eyepet Adventures, or Top Darts?  Or was you under the impression I was just leaving out Nintendo games and Sony didnt have any other games?

That is why i did notable games. Games we "Hardcore" gamers actually give a shit about.

Any ways this thread came about because after the last bunch of big games for sony this year (Besides GT6) I was noticing I havent bought many sony games since Uncharted 3.  Not like ive bought many WiiU or X360 games either.  Frankly X360 has been shit with First party for the last few years and WiiU has been bad as well.  But you know, Im just a fanboy who is blinded by the gods of MSFT and Nintendo correct?


That's funny, I was actually dissapointed in you after talking about that eye for an eye stuff, giving Sony fans such shit, and then immediately making two threads like this.  That said, you're reading too much emotion in my post if you think I need to be less "defensive and emotional".

And yes, your use of "notable" has no quantifiable meaning and is bullshit.  I can show you people that were hyped for Wii Party U if you like as well as Game and Wario.  But instead you'd rather just base this list on every single Sony game you heard anyone express interest in versus only those Nintendo games you consider to be important.  I realize that it affects both lists, but unless you can define exactly how you are deciding what things are notable then it is indeed nebulous and bullshit.  So I have to agree with Carl on this one, but you aren't breaking any rules even if I find your threads extremely hypocritical that's not actually a rule anywhere.  So please carry on.  

 



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Torillian said:

  So I have to agree with Carl on this one, but you aren't breaking any rules even if I find your threads extremely hypocritical that's not actually a rule anywhere.  So please carry on.  

 


And how is this thread hypocritcal per say?  Am i attacking anyone?  If so how am I exactly?  The thread in general is a question and just so you know as a heads up it didnt start off as a comparison to Nintendo either.

Am I not allowed to say I was disappointed in Sony's First Party for the last two years?  

Anyways when i say notable i like i said before am talking about for hardcore gamers.  If i missed some games youre more than welcome to point them out.  And yeah if you can show us people expecting Wii Party to get rave reviews I'd be highly surprised.  Pretty much nobody was expecting Wii Party out of all games to get great reviews.  People may have said it would sell well, but critically is a different story.  There is a difference between the two.

Tell you what, if you can give a good reason on how I am attacking the Sony fanbase in any way you can lock this thread.  If so would you consider it to be an even bigger attack on MSFT since i said they lacked first party games O.O  Oh what a hanus attack on MSFT. Or are we just being choosey about what i may or may not have attacked?




       

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JayWood2010 said:

And how is this thread hypocritcal per say?  Am i attacking anyone?  If so how am I exactly?  The thread in general is a question and just so you know as a heads up it didnt start off as a comparison to Nintendo either.

Am I not allowed to say I was disappointed in Sony's First Party for the last two years?  

Anyways when i say notable i like i said before am talking about for hardcore gamers.  If i missed some games youre more than welcome to point them out.  And yeah if you can show us people expecting Wii Party to get rave reviews I'd be highly surprised.  Pretty much nobody was expecting Wii Party out of all games to get great reviews.  People may have said it would sell well, but critically is a different story.  There is a difference between the two.

Tell you what, if you can give a good reason on how I am attacking the Sony fanbase in any way you can lock this thread.  If so would you consider it to be an even bigger attack on MSFT since i said they lacked first party games O.O  Oh what a hanus attack on MSFT


Ooh, me! Me! I can come back to answer this one and pick apart this post!

Your threads are hypocritical because you claim to be unbiased when everyone on the site knows otherwise. Its got nothing to do with attacking anyone or anything. You claim that you get annoyed at the "fan of company A goes on about company B" attitude, yet you (a well known Xbox guy) were all over the PS4 lackluster reviews with this thread and your other rather silly thread. You also have a clear resentment of the "Sony fans" here, case in point

JayWood2010 said:

Well I find it amusing how Sony fans are saying Ryse will be bashed similarly to Knack.  Early impressions of the game was bad for a lot of people but as time went on it looked MUCH better.  I highly doubt we will see it getting lower than a 70. Most people spreading shit about Ryse has been sony fans.

And from the OP of the Eye for an Eye thread, where you openly admit that you think the majority of venomous, petty and obnoxious posts come from the Sony fanbase -

JayWood2010 said:

Since being on this website I have called the forums venemous, petty, and abnoxious to name a few.  Yes I have placed most of the blame on Sony fans for this as well.  

Or here, where youre clearly annoyed that people think things are blown out of proportion and we will see the same for the Xbox One in 7 days time -

JayWood2010 said:
Slade6alpha said:

I 100% agree with this, ever since E3, it's been put down after put down. I'm expecting the worst with Ryse and DR3 (technical problems).


XBO Fans arent allowed to have High Expectations.  Not priveleged enough to be hyped for something.  Even now you can see comments running wild in all threads, "Well XBO itll be the same" lol

It all just reeks of desperation. The threads in essence are fine, its how you execute them where the problem arrises. You talk about poor reviewed games being "hyped up to shit" and point out that Sony fans are "bragging" about Sony 1st party in the very same threads where youre effectively putting down Sony 1st party. It doesnt help that youre an "Xbox guy" doing it neither. It just gives the impression that youre rubbing peoples noses in it. When you are asked for a fair comparison to the other companies you then go on to give totally unfair comparisons (because youre not selecting the entire range of content, which you should do in a comparison thread) and even refuse to list an entire 1st party range of content (because we all know the end results here).

On another note, you cant decide what is a notable release for a hardcore gamer. Just because a small game gets a small amount of hype on a small videogame forum doesnt mean that its a "notable release". Hell, you listed Unit 13(!) as a notable release yet fobbed off Wii Party U, a game which is the follow up to a game that sold over 8 Million units. And man, for the life of me Im struggling to find anything at all on the internet that had Unit 13 hyped up.

If youre doing threads like this and judging the 1st party offering based on a Metacritic score, when the average score is actually above average then it looks like youre trying to get a rise out of people when you post that Sony have struggled to make quality games... Nothing more. Your thread and the data you compiled actually goes against you. When you then go on to add only "high" scoring games from the competition it highlights it even more. You also refused to add Microsoft into the equation, despite them having numerous notable releases over the last 2 Years because you already knew the outcome.

What youre doing is making a sensationalist thread regarding "company B". Youre doing something very similar to what you said you dislike in your eye for an eye thread. Its quite clear because of your clear resentment of the Sony fanbase and the hype/bragging that goes on as I proved with the quotes above. Youre pissed off with how Sony fans have been acting with the usual superiority complex that a lot of them have. Youre pissed off with how certain Sony fans have been all over Ryse, Forza, etc and these are your little digs back, though youre intelligent enough to keep it within the forum guidelines and thus nothing will be done.

You asked. I answered. Ill not continue with the derail that seems to be going on. Cheerio.